I took a class in Tactical Combat Casualty Care at one of Brock’s PATCONS about ten years ago. The major point of that class was the survival of anyone injured while on a mission. If someone was injured, the mission was scrubbed and all available resources were shifted to stabilizing and transporting the injured man or woman to a hospital to save their life. One of the class attendees was a doctor. The instructor, doctor and myself were talking after the class and I asked “what is the point if there is no hospital”?
This was brought up for discussion the next day at the regular PATCON meeting. The conclusion of the discussion: there would be no hospital but if possible, we would try to get the injured party back to say goodbye to their loved ones.
I bring this up to address Aesop’s latest post: This Is Your Wake Up Call. I wish we lived in a better world but the reality is that there will be limited or no medical care in the future. We have already seen the ravages of “medical care” with “Affordable Health Care”, Covid-19 and pharmaceutical malfeasance. While it would be good to have a level 1 hospital available, remember the point made by Selco about even making it to the hospital.
Our future may be dismal but we will come out stronger forged by our trials. I do not know if I will personally make it through to start rebuilding. I do know that great sacrifices will have to be made. I know that quality health care will not be available when this collapses but it is not that great anyway as many of us have found out by the loss of loved ones during the plandemic.
My point is simple: only prepare for what is achievable. Putting resources into something that will negatively impact your community’s overall survivability is not practical.
David DeGerolamo
I was involved in a discussion similar to this. I questioned the point in transporting someone and giving aid to them if they where terminal. I believe we where talking about loosing a leg or two, I said let me die. Those supplies could be used on someone that would be more productive and the time and effort taken to move me to “home”, would hinder whatever is being done. It is better to accomplish the task than call it off to move someone some place to die. In the end I stated I know where I will be spending eternity, so no hard feelings, I will be in a lot better place.
Rudimentary field hospitals, can be set up for, fluid replacement, transfusions, Antibiotic therapy, oxygen or extremity wound care and amputations, see NATO war surgery. I made rudimentary XRay machines in Jr high. Much is possible outside of a modern western hospital! Don’t give up on loved ones, you will sleep better doing all you can!
Prep and pray!
At our last meeting I threw out that possibility. You could have heard a pin drop. I pray it never happens, but it can and will.
David, I’m running on empty and sleep deprived.
Can you give an example of “ only prepare for what is achievable?”
Dana
Let me expand on this in an article tomorrow.
Don’t forget veterinary hospitals. They are everywhere and are equipped as well as a modern hospital.
I have a few medical books, anything and everything is possible with Gods help. I have a basic medical kit, it has needles and sutures and all the other goodies. If someone is hurt on a mission and the man power is possible leave one or two men to get the wounded back to camp, and carry on. Some wounds in the field are impossible to fix or stop blood loss. As I said if possible leave one man to pray with the wounded so he does not die alone, if he knows the terrain and mission he can catch up later.
DR, hats of to you for provoking intelligent discussions!
Curious on why my veterinarian contribution not included? Big fan of your site by the way.
It was in pending to be approved.
20 plus years as a PA-C, surgery and urgent care, prior to that EMT.
Beyond basic first aid and a large supply of soap and rags, time is better spent learning to garden and preserve food. Think 1840’s frontier homestead, not a dystopian post-apocalyptic forward operating base and roving patrols or raids. This isn’t terminator and you’re not John Conner. If you own more guns than gardening tools (I have plenty of both) you’re doing it wrong.
Gardening and preserving food is the foundation of life, much like the ABC of emergency care, if you don’t have a clear air way (A) all else is a waste of time!
Then B is essential as is C.
There are lots of good books out on emergency care and ditch medicine as well. Get them now, along with seeds and shovels, lots of things are are really essential, fertilizer, antibiotics, bleach and of course soap.
Starting into prepping can look over whelming, start small and cheap, buy seed grains, water purification and a .22 you will be better off than the vast majority. Take a first aid class and a shooting one also. Yes, you should have more gardening tools than guns and you should have more ammo than guns!
Keep improving as time goes on, eventually you will feel comfortable where you are at and have a good chance of surviving this brave new world!
Finally, some more sage advice from an old prepper, if you have a home stead, for heavens sake get a old diesel tractor or an old 8 N. My two cylinder forty year old Kubota, is a life saver, to be sure my 50 hp massey will do more, but the kubota will get you by. Stay away from modern electronic controled engines, remember EMP!
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