My first thought was the craptacular “movie” Leave the World Behind, when the shipping transport beaches from a cyber attack.
Once is an accident, another a coincidence, a third…well.
Nope--this is a single screw ship. Not twin screws.
foot in the forest
10 months ago
Could be that She is navigating in a RIVER. Loss of propulsion means loss of control. Radar tracking indicates no increase or decrease of speed co-incident with the smoke.
General Buck Turgerson
10 months ago
No--not to increase the speed, but the engines were burning coal at full speed to reverse the propeller--emergency speed. These are diesel electric driven propellers FYI. Also--the port authority port-pilots were in control of the ship at this point, not the regular Captain. Port anchor was also dropped to slow the vessel. Didn’t help much.
Dan
10 months ago
It Can take up to a mile to stop a vessel this large. Even at port speeds they don’t stop on a dime. If the ship lost power at the wrong moment with the rudder in the wrong position you can’t move the rudder till power is restored. Which appears to be what happened. This was an accident, a bad one but nothing more than that.
DoYaThinkMuch?
10 months ago
This is not likely a diesel electric ship (that’s reserved for cruise liners) this ship has a giant slow speed diesel (Wartsila-Sulzer or Man B&W), they belch smoke like crazy when 1st started usually for <1min, they burn Bunker oil it won't even flow until heated. Last time I was on one of these ships they still had a win95 box on the dash, that was in about 2000. I worked below decks (engine room) so I'm not sure what the win95 box was for, Nav?
Most likely not--all of these container ships are modernized. The old diesel into reduction gear-box stuff is out now. For efficiency they are diesel electric propulsion. Yes the modern cruise ships are all this type of drive, but so are the more modern cargo vessels. But also, I don’t think this is an accident. It looks like it was a cyber attack on this ship as all of this stuff is now highly computerized. Look at that cargo ship that was steered into another ship just last year (made big headlines). Power goes down and then up again. Ship comes hard right into the supports. it is impossible to stop one of these ships on a dime even at slow speeds.
Must be a flat-bottomed boat on ice because there was no wake of any kind. Slow or fast, the boat would have disturbed the water and made waves.
These ships do not produce much of a wake at slow port speeds, 3 or 4 knots. They do a dead crawl out of such ports.
It was doing just under 7 knots.
My first thought was the craptacular “movie” Leave the World Behind, when the shipping transport beaches from a cyber attack.
Once is an accident, another a coincidence, a third…well.
Hollywood does seem to tell us what’s about to happen!
Could be a full reverse, or cyber attack as some are starting to suggest
If it was in full reverse the bow would have gone to port!
Nope--this is a single screw ship. Not twin screws.
Could be that She is navigating in a RIVER. Loss of propulsion means loss of control. Radar tracking indicates no increase or decrease of speed co-incident with the smoke.
No--not to increase the speed, but the engines were burning coal at full speed to reverse the propeller--emergency speed. These are diesel electric driven propellers FYI. Also--the port authority port-pilots were in control of the ship at this point, not the regular Captain. Port anchor was also dropped to slow the vessel. Didn’t help much.
It Can take up to a mile to stop a vessel this large. Even at port speeds they don’t stop on a dime. If the ship lost power at the wrong moment with the rudder in the wrong position you can’t move the rudder till power is restored. Which appears to be what happened. This was an accident, a bad one but nothing more than that.
This is not likely a diesel electric ship (that’s reserved for cruise liners) this ship has a giant slow speed diesel (Wartsila-Sulzer or Man B&W), they belch smoke like crazy when 1st started usually for <1min, they burn Bunker oil it won't even flow until heated. Last time I was on one of these ships they still had a win95 box on the dash, that was in about 2000. I worked below decks (engine room) so I'm not sure what the win95 box was for, Nav?
Most likely not--all of these container ships are modernized. The old diesel into reduction gear-box stuff is out now. For efficiency they are diesel electric propulsion. Yes the modern cruise ships are all this type of drive, but so are the more modern cargo vessels. But also, I don’t think this is an accident. It looks like it was a cyber attack on this ship as all of this stuff is now highly computerized. Look at that cargo ship that was steered into another ship just last year (made big headlines). Power goes down and then up again. Ship comes hard right into the supports. it is impossible to stop one of these ships on a dime even at slow speeds.
Do you work on ships engines, I did
Like this one
https://greeniberica.pt/en/ever-ace-the-largest-container-ship-in-the-world-already-sails-on-evergreen/
I was on the predecessor to the ship in the above vid, it only had 11 cylinders, at the time it was billed as the most efficient engine in the world more HP per BTU than anything else out there, hard to imagine but that was the claim.
they look like this
https://www.wingd.com/en/content-pages/videos/14rt-flex96c-the-most-powerful-diesel-engine/
diesel electric containerships on the drawing board?
https://www.ship-technology.com/projects/quantumcontainership/?cf-view
It’s has been twenty years since I’ve worked on ships, but they don’t retire ships just because, the old Sealand ships I worked on were steam over electric (small compared to newer container ships), the cruise ships were steam over electric or diesel over electric.