From Gates of Vienna
A few weeks ago Vera, who is a long-time and regular commenter at Gates of Vienna, left this comment on the news feed:
I don’t know where to post this, WRSA now mostly posts stuff without discussions underneath, so I’ll post it here. They have been an amazing resource all these many months of madness. But lately, I am having a hard time following. They seem to have bought into the mainstream narrative of scaring the crap out of everybody, all the time. If there has been a day of late when some mushroom cloud did not feature, I haven’t noticed. And NC Renegade is the same. Endless stories of bloggers and others who have made a career out of screaming doom at all and sundry.
THIS is alternative media?!? If it bleeds, it leads? If it scares you, we’ll hit you over the head with it until kingdom come? I am revolted. MSM works hard to keep the panic going. Why are “our people” jumping on that bandwagon, have you asked yourselves?
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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Vera makes some valid points. I have not posted much lately because there is much work to do everyday. People ask me (and probably most readers of “alternative media) when will the collapse happen (see answer at the end)? As I wrote last week, I felt that there was a strong possibility that Russia and China would announce the release of their alternative currency over the Easter Holiday. Obviously that did not happen. SouthernPrepper1 has stated that he is using his time to complete preparations instead of making as many videos. I also am working to fill in any holes at the community center.
Is this site meant to perpetuate fear? The site generates no revenue and costs me money to maintain. What would be the purpose of a website that preaches “doom and gloom” if not to make money? I can only come up with one other reason: the site is evil and trying to instill fear to demoralize people. The effects of this demoralization would depend on the individual but I would agree that the end result is negative for that individual.
Let me review what I did on Saturday and you can judge me to see if I am instilling fear or trying to help people.
I opened the community center at 8:15 A.M. for the Glock Armorer Class. I then tended to my chickens and then my new batch of nine pullets. Rick Klopp and I finished setting up the classroom and then I checked people in for safe/unloaded firearms. I was the safety officer for the class (which was full) and assisted Rick when necessary. The class ran late (as expected since Rick always ensures that everyone is on track and answers questions) and ended at 2:00 P.M. I already had the grill ready for hamburgers and hot dogs to show our appreciation to the students for coming.
Then three hours of answering questions about what is coming and showing the community center’s operations and library. During one of the discussions with Concerned American and Grenadier1, I said that I was thinking about making a flowchart for an article. It would take the top issues impacting our lives and propose various pathways until they all merged to a final solution. But this final solution did not solve anything: it was just an excuse for inaction. The final excuse for our inaction came down to “Orange Man Bad”.
But this is a good example of the “fear” comment in that people can face the facts: evil has taken control of our government and big business operation in several ways:
- They can be afraid and do nothing.
- They can be afraid and prepare for an austere future.
- They can blame Trump for not saving them.
- 1 and 3 or 2 and 3.
There are other mechanisms to cope with reality (including not coping) but I will finish my Saturday agenda first.
After most people left, I collected eggs, tended to the chicken coop and then the pullets before going to the house with another couple who attended the class. We showed them the greenhouse that I finished last year and the two red cedar 2’x4′ raised planting beds that I built last week.
After the couple left at 8:00 P.M., I checked the news and the comments on the site and had a light dinner.
I will not go over the discussions after the class with everyone other than to say that people who had not seen the community center before were impressed at its operation and purpose. At no point in the entire day was the word “fear” using as a means to move forward.
I can only speak for myself but I can truthfully state that I am following the Lord’s instructions. I moved to the mountains, bought 28 acres of land and built a community center to help people in the future. I hope to open a second spring head this week on the property as a backup but the first springhead has exceeded our expectations and will be able to provide fresh water for a large number of people.
We finished regrading the shooting range at the center last week and should be planting gardens around the property over the next few weeks. I will be making (and selling) 3’x8’x30″ raised bed planters starting this week. There is no need for me to go over other projects but I wanted to make the point that I am preparing for the future which I foresee happening based on news and information, not fear.
If you are living in fear, you have no Faith in the Lord’s plan. As I wrote a few weeks ago, my articles are providing information for people to evaluate and turn into intelligence in order to survive in the future. If you take that information and turn it into fear, you need to reconsider your intelligence processing. Fear (like Hope) is not an effective strategy.
I do want to make an observation concerning the lack of comments on WRSA. People have no idea how much time, aggravation and abuse, moderating comments takes. It would make my life much easier not to have to deal with comments but I do believe it offers people an avenue to ask questions and provide more information.
I want to close with two observations:
- There are too many “I’s” in this article. We must come together and work together in harmony instead of division. There should be many more “We’s” above. Which is why we will be having more classes at the community center as I had planned from its inception.
- I never intended for this site to be click bait or to be considered fear mongering. When asked on Saturday how much time we had left, I answered according to my beliefs: none. The banks are failing, war is the illegal regime’s only option to continue their evil and people must make some hard choices. Some people would consider that to be fear mongering and some would consider that a sapient conclusion based on real facts.
David DeGerolamo
Another spot on article, thank you David. You are very much appreciated in all that you do.
I don’t have the $$ or resources to buy land. I have other preps. I can only rely on God for a place of refuge if/when it becomes necessary. That being said, I did what I always do on the weekend, provide armed security to my church. I value the lives of the flock more than my own.
I used my money according to what the Lord directed. That is all any of us can do. Listen to the Lord when he answers your prayers, grow spiritually and fight evil.
Here is one option. If you have a home, get a second mortgage, using cash buy a small vacation home or even just land, free and clear. If every thing goes well, you have a vacation home. If everything does not, you have a retreat. When the time comes to retire, sell your current home and down size to your vacation home.
Many of us retirees can not afford the taxes in urban areas let alone the mortgage payments. My daughter pays about $ 1000 pre month in taxes in the Chicago area, I pay about $600 per year for 80 acres and a house here in NW AR.
Wow Lawnmore,
Great response. I understand your decisions because
I have done a similar thing. Main motivation? Get out of the city
and live far more inexpensively.
Fear gets “clicks”, period. When I quit “chasing headlines and trying to anticipate the changes that may ensue” in the videos I post, and focused almost exclusively on “skills related” content my views dropped a good bit. I’m okay with that. If folks want to endlessly stimulate their fear responses without taking the time to do anything about it, that’s their business. “If the watchman sound the alarm and the people do not take action, their blood is on their own heads”. Along the way, I have lost much respect for content creators that focus on “fear” without solutions, and then tomorrow a whole new “fear presentation” without solutions because that smells like chasing clicks to me. Additionally, there is some usefulness in some analysis of events but overall there is far too much of it in articles and videos. I don’t need all the philosophical and intellectual underpinnings and meanderings of a circumstance, event, situation or problem. At the end of the day, can I get the product in long term storage before it rots? Do I have water to drink? Do I know how to grow and build and repair and navigate, and barter and lead? Teaching has a different flavor and a different bite that entertainment does.
I was hoping someone would add the Watchman on the Wall reference. I did not write about the sheepdog comment made at the Glock Armorer class other than to say that my response was “We need more sheepdogs”.
As you stated in Proverbs 9:10 that is the beginning of wisdom, the enemy’s of God and his people are fear. Websters 1823 definition of fear, a painful emotion or passion excited by an expectation of evil, or the apprehension of danger. The world is in the grip of fear, in one of the great prayers starts, give us this day, today is all we have, yesterday is gone and tomorrow is but a promise. I try and concentrate on today and accomplish what I can, I will not give into the fear porn being transmitted 24/7. Land of the free and home of the brave, land of the free has been stolen, home of the brave, I hope so.
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 2 Peter 3: 3,4
And, like all other observations, we wait in anticipation of the events. But, lest we fall asleep and be caught offguard, it is good to be reminded even as the gospel should not cease to be preached.
But, live not in fear, for knowledge of the truth removes all fear.
Yesterday 21 of my 22 children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and spouses were in church celebrating Christ’ resurrection. One had to work. I praise God that they were all there. That was an answer to prayer. We all met at my daughter’s house for lunch.
They all have valuable skills, some have chickens, some have gardens, all have guns and most all are preppers. We all live close.
I thank the Lord for the many blessings he has brought me and my wife in our lives. While she doesn’t remember much of yesterday, she knows she is blessed. I don’t believe we could ask for anything better.
The wether man is spreading fear, warning of a tornado, but it saves lives!
This site does much of the same, spreading the facts, trying to save lives!
Thanks.
Ecclessiastes 1:18
“For with more wisdom comes much sorrow, and he that increaseth in knowledge increases grief.”
Not all knowledge is pleasant. Imagine how Jesus Christ felt when he realized the Jewish leaders were Satan’s own, [John 8:44.] Satan is currently the god of this world, [2 Corinthians 4.4.] This is not pleasant but the true God has this in His Word so we can make sense of the evil that is around us.
The problem isn’t the amount of doom and gloom but a lack of spiritual understanding the reveals the cause of all the evil we are being pounded with. Some of the best sights on the net fail to educate the spiritual root the problems.
The professing Christian denominations with the exception of great men of God like Chuck Baldwin have been replaced by the feel good ministers on cable TV. Ya know, “don’t worry, God’s got this!” “God’s still on the throne!” All those cliches do eliminate any personal responsibility for the professing Christian to compete in the spiritual contest, [Ephesians 6: 10 -18.]
Calm, cool and collected. Your time and energy is appreciated by folks like me who read your blog. Your response to the comment was polite and informative. The information and food for thought you and others provide in these blogs is much appreciated.Thank you.
Much of the problem may simply be that we have entered the beginning of the quickening, the crescendo, exponential acceleration of change.
We are all overwhelmed, or we have given up and checked out entirely.
Yeah… nuclear war… starvation and cannibalism… mass death as the armed play musical chairs for diminishing resources… it’s all real.
I’m trying to just “give space” to all that, and “deal with” the “actionable intel”. It’s not easy. In the age of lies, the truth is not easy. It’s only objective measure is that it does not contradict itself.
Or they can walk in with eyes wide open, informed of possibilities and unafraid.
Glean from sources the info you feel useful.
Tip of hat sir.
Stay calm and
soldier on.
David, I agree with all you said. I pray that God will be with you and all who stand for truth, justice, righteousness and liberty.
I cant speak for Concerned American and the website but I do take my lead from him and the daily posts usually for the weekly radio show. I think he and I are of similar minds on this and so I think I can offer some perspective at least in terms of mindset for the content.
Sometimes I
struggle with a concept or idea for the show on a week to week basis. I try not
to present the same old picture and view on the events of a week and strive to
give some different take on it.
CA has to
generate more content than I do so I know that he is dealing with that same
struggle on a more frequent tempo. Often times we can do no more than just
present information others have done and allow the reader /viewer to draw their
own conclusions.
I do not
present doom and gloom with any kind of enthusiasm nor do I think does CA. We
are both rational and realist minds. We are presenting things as we believe them
to be. If the facts of the situation are disturbing and invoke discomfort and
fear, that is because the situation is terrible and fear inducing.
As for me, I will not sugarcoat things and make them sound less difficult and less troubling than I believe them to be. I may omit information but that is most often due to the platforms I post the show on and their obsessive censorship. I do not wish to provide them reason to shut down the show. That said what I do strive to do is to leave you with a positive message. I think that is consistent with what CA does over on the Mothership as well. We try to show you that things are bad. Things are VERY SNAFU, but all is not lost. You have to have hope and a solid determination to survive and prevail.
That’s about the best we can offer. It is what it is.
Good answers young man, so thank you very much.
Fear is alive and well and some fear can motivate people
to act on behalf of themselves, family, neighbors, and community.
Conversely, fear mongering is unwanted and unnecessary, so,
what to do? Avoid sites that push fear/atomic bombs and the like.
You have a busy lifestyle, no time for wasted words, but time for
helping others. The SHTF is here and now. Everyone, please be
busy.
“Let me review what I did on Saturday and you can judge me to see if I am instilling fear or trying to help people.”
Ahh, to be young again…;)
I turned 67 yesterday.
Fear of the Master? Nature, Natural, Respect and absolute belief and hope in His promises and His salvation.
Fear of the world? man caused, man’s influence, man’s response, man thinking and acting as gods, in combination with evil spirits.
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A good example of a lack of reading comprehension.
When Renegade points to indicators of collapse or conflict he is NOT necessarily stating:
That each of these various (possible?) event/conflict indicators are true and accurate.That each event/issue, should it be correct, is a sufficient cause of itself for total collapse.RE tone and purpose of the reports: Renegade brings these stories and it is the responsibility of the reader to assess these various reports. Trends, climate, and conditions may be assessed without each and every factor in a report being itself correct.
If you believe the BOOK is the word of God then you know what is coming. All of those things we’ve been warned about. You are commanded to persevere and Endure To The End. That is why I prepare. I plan to endure to the end. I read articles and watch video’s to get the weather report so to speak. If they are predicting rain, that’s okay I have rain protection. This world is ruled by Satan. I don’t expect the weather to get better until our Lord returns.
Hey. This is Vera. David, you said: “Is this site meant to perpetuate fear? The site generates no revenue and costs me money to maintain. What would be the purpose of a website that preaches “doom and gloom” if not to make money?”
I think this site is way overboard into fear mongering. That has nothing to do with making money. In the old “peak oil” community there was fear mongering over the top too. I was part of it, I know. Hardly anyone was doing blogging to make some money. We were in it for the community, and because a lot of what we said made sense. The fearmongering stuff destroyed the community in the end, because of all the BS predictions and the hubris.
Please understand when I made this criticism I in no way wanted to be negative about your site (or the Baron’s, or WRSA). Y’all are awesome. I came here every day.
I think people push fear porn because it’s a good way to be noticed. And the war for attention is a big part of clown world. Some moves are simple and often crude manipulation. People stoop to half truths, rumor amplifying, and repetitious scary pictures. And no, I don’t believe for a second that “it’s their problem if they are scared or miserable.” Bull. If you hit someone over the head with a hose over and over, they will be damaged. If you hit them over the head over and over with fear porn propaganda, eventually they will be damaged. I effing hate manipulation. Gadz, it’s as if nothing was learned from the Jehovah’s Witnesses…
Tell the truth. If you are horribly worried, don’t barf that fear it all over those who follow you. Please?
Vera,
Thank you for responding. You are welcome to your opinion but I disagree that my articles are fear mongering. I have no need for attention and people who do know me, know that I am somewhat of a recluse.
I have written many times (including this article) that fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. If people are afraid, it means that they have no faith in the Lord’s plan and that is a sin against God. I am a simple man who sees what is coming. I recently wrote that I provide information and it is up to the individual to generate intelligence upon which they can act (or not act) in the future. That is not fear, that is common sense. People who are aware of what is coming and are afraid is not something that I can or want to control. I can only do what I am led by the Lord to do. I built a community center with resources to help our neighbors in the future. That includes free spring water, a library and hopefully a school for children. We will continue to offer training, classes and food preparation because that is a plan with positive results.
I have as much faith in the US dollar as I have for our selected officials in this illegal regime. The banks and the country are bankrupt and their only recourse is a world war. Whether anyone believes that analysis is not going to impact my plans to rebuild. If someone cannot face what is coming, I ask that you do not blame the messenger. I provide information and in a few cases, the information may be presented even if I do not agree with it. The point is for everyone to take the information, analyze it, then discard it or make intelligence upon which you can act.
I hate to be blunt but if you read the articles here and become afraid, please leave. If you are reading articles here, please comment with positive information and questions. The you in the previous sentence is not referring to Vera but to everyone.
Ezekiel might have a thought about this Verna and others who decry about “fear mongering”.
33 Again the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 2 “Son of man, speak to the children of your people, and say to them: ‘When I bring the sword upon a land, and the people of the land take a man from their territory and make him their watchman, 3 when he sees the sword coming upon the land, if he blows the trumpet and warns the people, 4 then whoever hears the sound of the trumpet and does not take warning, if the sword comes and takes him away, his blood shall be on his own head. 5 He heard the sound of the trumpet, but did not take warning; his blood shall be upon himself. But he who takes warning will [a]save his life. 6 But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’
7 “So you, son of man: I have made you a watchman for the house of Israel; therefore you shall hear a word from My mouth and warn them for Me. 8 When I say to the wicked, ‘O wicked man, you shall surely die!’ and you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at your hand. 9 Nevertheless if you warn the wicked to turn from his way, and he does not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have [b]delivered your soul.
10 “Therefore you, O son of man, say to the house of Israel: ‘Thus you say, “If our transgressions and our sins lie upon us, and we pine[c] away in them, how can we then live?” ’ 11 Say to them: ‘As I live,’ says the Lord God, ‘I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn, turn from your evil ways! For why should you die, O house of Israel?’
Trouble is coming and I am seeking information on how best to protect my family.
Thanks DRenegade for being the watchman.
Thank you.
I did not single you out. I meant the site in general. If I had to single out someone, it’s Boots on the ground. I don’t know who he is, but I will no longer click on his stuff. He yanks people with nearly every headline.
I know SouthernPrepper1 and his integrity is beyond question. You have no idea how much time, money and effort he has put into helping people for over 15 years. I believe that you have outed yourself.
Oh crap.
I am not afraid. I am irritated with being served some of the same kinda fear porn that the MSM serves. You can’t hear that without sending me away? Pish.
Vera sorry but from my POV your issues are internal.
Your viewpoint was aired in a respectful manner.
Send you away? My reading is he said IF my articles make you afraid then please leave.
You say you’re NOT afraid so what’s your point?
Pray for wisdom, God will provide.
If I was not clear, the “you” meant “anyone”. No one is forcing anyone to come to NCRenegade. My purpose is to help people make informed decisions.
Sad that one of my favorite sites cannot stomach some feedback. Right or wrong,at least you could consider it. And I am not going anywhere.
I am glad to hear you will still be here. I can only speak for my articles which I do not see as fear mongering. However, if you think one is, please let me know and I will review it.
Fair ’nuff. Will do. You are Wes?
No. David
Sorry about that. Got confused. I should have known. 🙂
This stuff is a thing so, so many can’t seem to handle and that is REALITY!! Normalcy bias is really out of control. Folks you best Toughen up big time or I can tell you, your a$$ will NEVER survive what is coming down the pike seriously. America is in EXTREME PERIL and so are We, the people. Our gov’t has been fully taken-over!This govt is corrupt, criminal and illegitimate. The Constitution is completely on the way out the door.
thanks for your efforts on the website.
I come here for pertinent breaking news (before I hear about it on larger sites),
and for opinions on appropriate responses to the present tyranny.
& I see the difficulties encountered in moderating comments!
+ I find it encouraging to see someone living morally & conscientiously in actual practical fact (deeds not words).
regards,
David, thank you for the work that you are doing in your community and as administrator of this site. I check this site everyday as I do not listen to MSM for news. I also check other “alternative” media in order to put together the most clear picture of what is going on. I too see the need to have a strong community in order to survive what is coming our way. I am saved and when the trump blows I am outta here but until that happens, I am going to keep following the Lord’s direction for my life. Twelve years ago I woke up. Before that I was a sports watcher and mostly oblivious to how fragile our system is. I was living day to day. Then I read Atlas Shrugged. Then I read Enemies Foreign & Domestic and I found WRSA. Sometime shortly after I found this site. I also thank God for Ann Barnhardt. If I had never woken up to the true evil in this world and I fully believe that what we are witnessing today is the full on workings of Satan himself and how ALL of this is no mystery to God and how this is ancient history to Him, I and my family would probably have fallen prey to the Psyop of Covid and its poison “Vax”. Thank you again for moderating these comments and bringing relevant information.
You are welcome.