Ancestral Principle

The following is an interesting thought exercise from Imperium Press.

“Paganism is seen by Christians, Jews, and others as “choose your own theology”, where you just make it up as you go along. To be fair, some of this is criticism is deserved. It’s true that there’s a lot of paganism à la carte—a pinch of Druidry, a dash of Wicca, a dollop of Buddhism, etc. Such things are obviously not serious. But this kind of paganism is quickly losing ground to serious reconstruction—authentic worship that takes one or another branch (Norse, Roman, Greek, etc.) and restores its original practices.

This is the paganism of historical pagans. To this paganism, the accusation of “making it up as you go along” could not be any less appropriate. In fact, historical pagans made exactly this accusation of Christianity, which was seen as a kind of anti-authoritarianism. “You think you can choose your own god?” This struck them as grotesque and impious, some sort of atheism. If you’re the judge of what’s worthy of worship, then your god is you. For the ancient pagan, authority was simple—it came from tradition.

Modern pagans don’t have that luxury, because our tradition just is Christianity. Or is it? Strictly speaking, it’s not quite Christianity now, is it? It’s secular humanist liberalism. If you live in the West, you live in a secular society. That is your tradition. Maybe you think you don’t get your tradition from your society though—maybe you think you get it from your parents. We’ll come back to that.

Suffice it to say that you can’t point to a social authority with any clout and come up with a justification for anything but liberalism. So, we need something else to justify Christianity. Sure, you can give a logic-chopping argument, but if you’re being honest with yourself, nobody is really moved by any of that. Very few people work through a syllogism, fall to their knees crying, and then convert.

If you look a little deeper, you find that people justify by pointing to authority. If you’re in perfect agreement with modern liberalism, this is easy—you just point to who’s in charge and say “might is right”. For anyone else, pointing to authority involves what we have called the ancestral principle. The idea is that you point to whatever it was that made everything great possible. For Steven Pinker, everything great is basically science, and what made it possible is the Enlightenment. For the Christian, everything great is basically the West, and what made it possible is Christianity.

If we were to formalize the ancestral principle, we would say that authorship is authority. What makes X authoritative over Y is that X is the father of Y. This is the deepest layer of Abrahamic morality, as we find in the book of Job. After Yahweh whoops Job just to prove a point to Satan, Job finally stands up and calls out Yahweh. Job gets an answer he didn’t expect. Instead of giving… well, any reason at all, Yahweh tells Job to shut up and stop asking questions. “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the world?” Yahweh is the boss of Job because without Yahweh, there is no Job.

This might seem abhorrent to someone like a classical liberal, but when you get right down to it, they make exactly the same argument. When you point out that the Enlightenment basically made every man his own highest authority and thus authority impossible, Steven Pinker will point to modern science and say “but it made that possible”. He’s wrong, it didn’t—but the point is that the form his argument takes is the same: whatever he’s justifying was the father of everything good. Even the lefty progressive does the same thing when he asks rhetorically, “do you want to go back to the dark ages of slavery and ignorance?” Never mind that he’s wrong—it’s the same argument all over again: whatever he’s justifying was the father of everything good. It turns out that the ancestral principle is the form that all justification takes in practice. When every logical proof of Yahweh’s existence is defeated, the Christian will take refuge in the ancestral principle—“where were you when Christianity laid the foundations of the West?”

Whether for classical liberals, Christians, or Jews, authority just is authorship. That is, the father is the paradigm of authority. All the way back, what makes something authoritative is just that it made everything after it possible, including you. If you disagree with it, you’re just wrong, full stop. This is exactly what pagans believe, only more consistently. They say “if it disagreed with its own father, it was wrong, full stop.”

A consistent application of the ancestral principle—the very form of moral justification—leads one invariably to paganism, because paganism built everything. Society, law, custom, governance, technics, arts, ritual, myth, philosophy—everything. Where were you when paganism laid the foundations of the world? Every axiom you hold, every intuition you have, every feeling in your gut—all these were given to you or bred into you by hundreds of thousands of years of paganism. And anything that wasn’t given to you by paganism was justified—wrongly or rightly—on the basis of axioms, intuitions etc. that paganism begat. Everything that came after, all the way up to modern liberalism, can only critique paganism on the basis of foundations that paganism laid.

And this brings us to the ultimate point—that the source of authority cannot be other than tradition. You can’t ask why it’s good to obey (or disobey) the tradition without invoking norms, and tradition is the source of those norms. One can object that the old gods are not real, and so the tradition is invalid. But that objection can only be made on the basis of assumptions, and those assumptions have come down from the tradition itself, which has its ultimate source in paganism. It’s impossible to argue against the tradition without invoking its authority.

For us to argue anything at all is to invoke tradition, which is to invoke the ancestral principle. Society tells us that our tradition is secular humanist liberalism. Perhaps we want to say “no, I got tradition from my parents, and that’s Christianity”. But then, your father got it from his father, and all the way back until someone abandoned his tradition. If he did that for a reason, that reason must ultimately rest on assumptions, and those assumptions on tradition. There is no way to abandon tradition without abandoning authority altogether. Your father’s father’s father etc. was an anti-authoritarian, an enemy of authority who based his (and ultimately, your) whole worldview on nothing more than whim. Only paganism can claim to derive authority out of something other than whim and caprice.

As it turns out, the accusation made against paganism that it’s just making things up, could not be more wrong—paganism is the sole alternative to “choose your own god”. The fact that we’ve been off-track for a long time hardly matters. Ancient error is still error. Ancient anti-authoritarianism is still anti-authoritarianism. The ancestral principle is simply the recognition that you don’t get to choose your own authority. Only paganism holds this principle consistently, because your forefathers didn’t get to choose their own authority either. All morality and even all knowledge rests on this principle. If the principle seems new, that’s because your tradition has been anti-authoritarianism for a long time. The ancestral principle is not new, but simply the articulation something that was once so obvious that it never needed articulation.”

Imperium Press 12/13/2023

    
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Fido
Fido
1 year ago

I may have a problem with this line of “reason”, if I have understood it.

I worship only one “authority”: Truth… *objective* truth. Reality.
Subjective truth is an oxymoron.

The problem is that I have only been able to find a single objective measure of truth, and that is that it does *not* contradict itself. This is something of a negative test, which means we can know with absolute *certainty* that a thing is false, as it can be objectively proven so, but truth is more elusive, in that it stands as truth only because it has not *yet* been proven false.

This means that for us, with our limited “subjective” perceptions of the one true “reality”, there can at any moment appear to be multiple truths. Which, though they contradict each other (and therefore cannot all be true), are not *yet* known to contradict *themselves*, so we cannot be sure which of them to discard.

The end result is that for we humans, truth can never be “achieved”, but only “approached”. It’s hard work, and it has no end, but it’s the only game in town, and it’s all a brain is good for.

There is no authority but truth. There is only one truth. 2+2 can only have *one* answer within any meaningful/useful context. Do your homework. Accept that you are making mistakes, and will continue to make them. Do *not* accept your mistakes.

Lori G
Lori G
1 year ago

Paganism is demon worship. You are worshipping demons. It works, but what is the end of it?

Noway2
Noway2
1 year ago
Reply to  Lori G

No it’s not. It just looks that way through your biblical lens.

Lori G
Lori G
1 year ago
Reply to  Noway2

The biblical lens is the one true lens. Demons do not have your best interest in mind; God does. I will not be able to convince you, but if you really want to know, ask God; the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, to reveal Himself, and He will. He did for me; no going back. It’s that simple.

Noway2
Noway2
1 year ago
Reply to  Lori G

Perhaps, if I were Jewish, I might.

Quatermain
Quatermain
1 year ago

One can incisively argue that the Reformation in conjunction with the Enlightenment brought us to this level of civilization, or even that the Reformation enabled the Enlightenment to succeed. Be that as it may, if one wants to see what paganism would have wrought in the world one can extrapolate Pre-Christian Rome or even watch the Game of Thrones from start to finish. As far into the collapse as we are now I would rather be in a post Christian collapse then a full Pagan collapse.

tom finley
tom finley
1 year ago
Reply to  Quatermain

Deu 18:9 through 18:14 is my go to for paganism.

Nobody
Nobody
1 year ago

What’s the difference between a religion and a cult? The size of the membership list. Uh oh. Now I did it.

WPM
WPM
1 year ago

Christianity flows from the Jewish tradition. The Jewish tradition claims to trace it’s ancestral origins back to the very creation of humanity. This tradition appeals to authority of a omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent creator God who is the beginning of our present reality and the source of our very existence. This is a Jewish tradition that holds that all pagan traditions are a corruption of the truth of our existence. It also holds that the Gods of all pagan traditions to be fallen creations of the true God who are actively seeking to deceive humanity from knowing that true creator God.
So, if you are claiming that Christianity is a “Choose your own God” new tradition and appealing to an ancestral principle that says a derivation from pagan tradition is a violation of the social status quo (read Bad because -- you do not get to choose your own God), then what do you do with a Jewish tradition that holds that all pagan traditions are a derivation of the true God and a violation of the ancestral principle that is the basis for your argument for those pagan traditions?

Noway2
Noway2
1 year ago
Reply to  WPM

“then what do you do with a Jewish tradition that holds that all pagan traditions are a derivation of the true God and a violation of the ancestral principle that is the basis for your argument for those pagan traditions?”
I am not Jewish. My ancestors, all the way back, were not Jewish. If we go back far enough, my (mostly Germanic) ancestors were pagans. I follow the ways of my ancestors, not the Jews. Just because the Jews, and by extension Christians, claim that their god is the one true god, doesn’t make it so and a certain book doesn’t prove anything, either.

Michael
Michael
1 year ago
Reply to  Noway2

Noway you seem knowledgeable about the Bible.

The story of the good Samaritan. Charity to someone robbed and beaten not of his tribe.

What is the old faith version please.

Noway2
Noway2
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael

That would likely fall to the concept of faith, family, folk. Assuming the “not of the tribe “ individual wasn’t an enemy or hostile, they would have likely been helped because it is the right thing to do and the concept of whatever you send out, you will receive three fold in return.

Michael
Michael
1 year ago
Reply to  Noway2

Thanks.