The video was filmed at the Moccasin Creek Minutemen meeting on the 2nd amendment in Zebulon, NC on January 17, 2013. Three North Carolina sheriffs addressed a group of over 200 people who are concerned that the federal government will infringe upon our 2nd amendment rights. The consensus after the meeting is that we are now even more concerned about our right to bear arms. All three sheriffs (Donnie Harrison-Wake County, Jerry Jones-Franklin County and Carey Winders-Wayne County) assured the people that they would not confiscate our firearms. The reason: the federal government will not pass legislation restricting the 2nd amendment.
However, if Congress did pass such legislation, they would enforce the law and we must work through the legal or legislative system to change it. I personally want to extend my appreciation to these sheriffs for meeting with us. I also personally believe that they are all good men. But:
1. It has been said that for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing.
2. Congress will pass legislation that is not supported by the majority of the people as (Affordable Health Care).
3. Congress will pass legislation without reading (or comprehending it) as Nancy Pelosi pointed out.
4. Marbury v. Madison cited by Sheriff Harrison’s attorney is the legislation that Thomas Jefferson warned us about:
You seem to consider the judges the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges … and their power [are] the more dangerous as they are in office for life, and are not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves … . When the legislative or executive functionaries act unconstitutionally, they are responsible to the people in their elective capacity. The exemption of the judges from that is quite dangerous enough. I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves. …. — Letter to Mr. Jarvis, Sept, 1820.
5. Over 100 people stood outside the meeting room and in the parking lot trying to hear how our sheriffs will act under what we consider unjust laws. Obviously people want to know their position on this issue. I do not consider being told that our federal government will not act to take away our rights as a valid response based on what has already transpired. And I am not alone, based on firearm and ammunition sales.
We have vain and aspiring men in our highest offices and our sheriffs should be our best defense against this tyranny. But they do not see this danger. We need statesmen instead of politicians to save our country. We also need sheriffs who will stand up for the rule of law. If they cannot distinguish between the “rule of law” and the “rule of men”, where does that leave us?
David DeGerolamo
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Videos of the 1 Hour Meeting:
Moccasin Creek Minutemen Meeting on the 2nd Amendment – Part 1
Moccasin Creek Minutemen Meeting on the 2nd Amendment – Part 2
The Sheriffs’ are either ignorant of their role, or are just well coached to play the game within their ‘system’. I have my suspicions since Donnie started out with stories of squirrel hunting.
I took strong exception to the lawyer in the black Wake uniform. As a member of the bar, he was clearly promoting the government interpretation that Rights are really just privileges to be extended and modified at the whim of a legislature.
There is a clear distinction in my mind between ‘lawful’ and ‘legal’ … and I heard all the Sheriffs use the term ‘lawful’ when the context implied they should have used ‘legal’. More food for belief that they are well coached in the game.
Folks in the audience at tonight’s’ meeting were looking for confirmation of moral-certainty in the souls of the Sheriffs and a recognition that Rights are unconditional. They certainly didn’t get that from Donnie Harrison and his bridge troll.
Languishing in the Great State of Funk … esse quam videri
Any Sheriff with such a backwards view of the Constitution should be impeached. Any right that is not absolute is no right at all.
Wow. Don’t think we can count on the sheriff……
We don’t need their approval, although we had hoped for their support -- our ultimate recourse is through the militia and our right to bear arms; as Jefferson states, “I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society, but the people themselves.” Always remember that the people *are* the militia; we are not in ‘full posession’ of any right which we will not fight to defend.
My tolerance is gone, and my resolve is hardened; let TPTB do what they will, and then let the people answer with the full force of our convictions, and when we do, we must make it overwhelming and decisive in the most final manner.
Qui non pro nostris, pugnare adversus;
Quod empti sanguine, ex utilis imenso.
Sic semper tyranis…
LT
~Bring rope, we’re having a hangin’ party!
These aren’t sheriffs enforcing the protection of the people but tell-tale versions of the dogmatic faith in govt. they swore to enforce MENS LAWS instead of constitutional laws which the background voices (They had it right!) said repeatedly were GOD’S LAWS. Our founding fathers placed God and honor above everything: at least 2 southern generals did too: Lee and Jackson. They wrote with biblical intent God’s custodial care of the people, and not Obama’s custodial care, which dosen’t include parlimentary socialism with a fawning Congress and Senate to a black socialist monarch. The fat sheriffs and their fat lawyer communicate the governor of NC’s passport, and they indulge Obama’s articulated communism by spouting conformity-to-the emergency declared by either Obama or the NC governor. That’s pure bullshit!
First of all, I think Joe did a fine job in trying to manage what could have easily turned into a mob. People can pick him apart, criticize every single thing he did, or didn’t do, but it makes you look petty and small, unless YOU are stepping up to the plate to do better! I thought he handled himself like Matt Dillon, which was needed, last night. Joe and I don’t always agree, but when it comes down to it, we’re on the same team.
The crowd was made up of several different groups. There were the MCMM folks, that have stood with me on the streets of DC, in the halls of Congress, at the General Assembly and at the Capital Bldg, fighting to keep the statists, the terrorists and other assorted moonbats, at bay. They wanted to HEAR what the sheriff’s had to say, and that’s why the meeting was held.
Then you had the “billy bob bad ass wannabees” that I’ve never seen show up for shit. I’m betting a lot of them never even made it to the polls to vote. Some of them wanting to make the meeting into a pissing contest, some wanting to impress their buddies, some hoping some shit would get started, right there, at the meeting. To them, I would say, STFU. If we wanted to hear from you, you would have been the guest speakers! This is not to say I didn’t agree with most of what you were saying -- but it wasn’t YOUR meeting. Invite the sheriff’s to a meeting that YOU pull together, and berate them all you want. There were some things the sheriff’s said, that I didn’t like, but that doesn’t mean it’s time to be an asshole about it.
A 3rd group was there -- the politicians. I had one stand next to me and say that there needed to be sign-up sheets, that a mailing like this was too good to let pass. I will have to admit that I said “THAT bullshit ain’t happening!” Now, it wasn’t up to me to make that decision, and I apologize for it. It was heartfelt, but still, inappropriate.
Then we had mainstream media there, trying to make some us accomodate THEM! In my opinion, THEY are a big part of the problem, so I was as rude to them, as I was the politicians. For that -- nah, not gonna apologize!
Let’s see, who else was there…oh yes, people screaming at the top of their lungs that the responsibility of the sheriffs was to enforce “God’s law!” That was so bizarre to me, I don’t even know what to say about that.
But crap like that is tearing apart people who are like-minded, 95% of the time. Someone, towards the end of the evening, mentioned the huge growth in militias. The sheriffs barely batted an eye. They showed no sign they were against that, at all. I think that should have been shown, but it’s not my decision to make, about what is shown, and what isn’t, from the meeting. But I was there, and I didn’t walk away with the doom and gloom that’s been presented here. Guess that’s the old “glass half empty/glass half full” conundrum.
Bottom line, you still need to be preparing for the worst, hoping for the best, and not TRYING to hasten collapse -- no matter how invested you are, in it. I believe, with the exception of half a dozen people there last night (media) we should be coming together. Stop all the devisiveness…the only people that benefits is BHO & Co.
clarification(s) just saw the video with the mention of the militias -- thanks and my apologies for jumping the gun (no pun intended) and would also note, that my defense of Joe, came because of attacks on other websites.
“Molon Labe” ya’ll 🙂
The entire meeting is on now YouTube. I did not edit any of the footage other than the part concerning emergency laws in North Carolina that have been addressed and corrected: I did not post that part. Links to the video posts are on the bottom of this post. It was agreed prior to the meeting that no political announcements or other issues would be addressed (or allowed) at this meeting. Thank you Joe and the other members of MCMM who agreed to this in the prior meeting.
Also, it was agreed that no bashing of the president would be done since that would be counter productive and not serve any purpose. The decorum broke down at one point but overall, I would applaud the crowd for their behavior given the circumstances.
As for God’s law, they are correct. Our country was founded on natural laws under God. This was also outlined in our Declaration of Independence and state constitutions. Man’s law will always usurp God’s law over time as greed, power, arrogance and corruption take control which is what we see in Washington. At that point, the rule of law becomes man’s law.
yes, we should have known there would be a birther, whether real, or a plant, to be used by the media to discredit the entire meeting…pretty sick of that, Kenyan, or not.
Regarding “God’s law”…and the screaming at the sheriffs that it is their job to enforce “God’s law”…of course the obvious questions arise like “Who’s God?”, …establishment of religion….etc.
If it is the sheriff’s responsibility to enforce God’s law -- why do we have ANY “laws” other than what someone, somewhere has decided is God’s law? Which preacher, or pastor or Pope, is going to tell Donnie Harrison what to do about someone he picks up that’s an illegal alien? Where’s the “natural law” or God’s law, that addresses that question?
We’ve got a divide in NC, about what is our real constitution and what isn’t! I just don’t understand the specifics of where he’s going wrong. Maybe you can post a list of what he’s supposed to do? 10 Commandments? I’m not trying to argue history, but if you truly believe he’s not doing the job he’s supposed to be doing, I’d like to see this itemized list that he, and all the other sheriff’s should be following. And is there ANY sheriff in ANY county, that you can point to, that they should model themselves after, on each and every issue?
“And is there ANY sheriff in ANY county, that you can point to, that they should model themselves after, on each and every issue?”
Yes there are many tmedlin……………http://www.newswithviews.com/Gilbertson/gil103.htm
and next time MCMM wants to have a private meeting with the Sheriff then don’t invite the whole damn county.
“STFU. If we wanted to hear from you, you would have been the guest speakers! This is not to say I didn’t agree with most of what you were saying – but it wasn’t YOUR meeting. Invite the sheriff’s to a meeting that YOU pull together, and berate them all you want. ”
You Sir sound like a good enough reason for me to not have any further contact with the Moccasin Creek Minutemen
I’m not a sir and speak only for myself -- were you one of those “billy bobs”? If not, then you should take no offense. I stand by my assessment of the billy bobs.
@Dave, “Invite the sheriff’s to a meeting that YOU pull together”. Respectfully, I think tmedlin has a point there, and it’s not directed only at you. I myself still find it strange that there was not one mention of the psychotropic drugs causing these events. And there will be more of these “events” happening as the FDA pushes more of these drugs on the street. I wonder why they are doing that?
OK thanks for the dis-invite the next time Mocassin Creek Minutemen announces an OPEN PUBLIC meeting and solicits for the public to attend. I’ll be sure to not attend. Y’all can “pull together” anything you want.
We-all were downright proud to represent our kind at that there silliness you called a 2A discussion.
And we thought you were a man too …
No worries…I can shoot like a man, too! LOL -- Perhaps it’s time to schedule a protest in the streets, so people can yell at the real people at the root of the problem, like the General Assembly, or Capital Hill…NOT with the expectations that it will actually change anything, afterall, some of us made NUMEROUS trips to DC and Raleigh and Obamacare still got rammed down our throats. But, there appears to be a whole new contingent of people finally waking up, finally getting frustrated and needing to vent about what’s going on at both the state and national levels. Wish that would have happened before PBO & Co. got their 2nd term and 2nd wind. I’m not particularly interested in going thru the BS process of pulling permits again, but if one of the newbies wants to put forth the effort, I’ll certainly participate in calling all the clans together.
Ah, the Marbury v Madison argument. Say, how well did that work out for Chief Justice Taney vs Abe Lincoln over habeas corpus? Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges.
I too was at the rally,..I felt it was civil and the sheriffs did a decent job of assuring the patriots that they too believe strongly in the 2nd amendment. I sensed a good spirit in all three Sheriffs, ( whether they would fall in line with federal orders to turn on the populace remains to be seen) but when the “lawyer” stood up to interpret the law for us I shouted “bull-shit” from the top of my lungs.
Sporting the Mason ring and all, this guy was not a patriot or constitutionalist, but rather a lackey of political force. For all peace and free loving patriots in this great land and NC, I urge you to stand for the truth and have great courage in the face of liars.
What you are and what they are is being etched in eternity…….
—chl
Don’t forget that sheriffs are elected officials and politicians just as much as any other elected official. Furthermore since their budgets are controlled by other politicians they generally are very careful about what they say in public.
It’s important to remind them that their constituents are watching what they’re doing and will remember next election. It’s also important to keep looking for good candidates if you’re not satisfied with your current sheriff.
It looks to me like the Sheriffs will follow whatever law is passed down to them from Wash DC. What part of “shall not be infringed” do they not understand? Do the Sheriffs know that ALL these mass shooting events were commited by people on psychotropic drugs? These events are probably false flags, done through the FDA. Just get the drugs out on the streets, then sit back and wait.
My biggest problem with what the Sheriffs said was this linking of “the Supreme Court is the arbiter of the Constitution” and my “oath to uphold the Constitution.” If the Supreme Court (really only a majority of five human beings) is the final arbiter then the oath they took is, in effect, not to the Constitution, but to some Supreme Court justices’ opinions.
“Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God”
The will of the people is LAW. Not ink and paper. It seems rather obvious what NC People want. Fight the tyrants my fellow NC citizens. Fight them hard.