Look, I'm seeing this from the inside, and am admittedly biased towards our president (and my friend), but there's a lot of crazy stuff on social media, so I wanted to address some things directly on the Iran issue:
— JD Vance (@JDVance) June 17, 2025
First, POTUS has been amazingly consistent, over 10 years, that…
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Ok, how long do we trust him before we write the whole thing off as a scam? He’s 6 months in now. His term runs another 3.5 years, and realistically, once campaigning for midterms hits, nothing of substance will be done legislatively until after the election. An election that may well change the balance of power, meaning Trump will be hamstrung by Congress, which he damned near already is, even with republicans in control. I know it takes time to get results, but he doesn’t have much more time until he’s rendered ineffectual by circumstances beyond his control.
Well, we can’t trust the media, nor can we trust the government. All we really know about what’s going on is what we can glean from the various sources of information available to us. Right now, those aren’t presenting a particularly favorable picture. Trump has a tendency to act without providing much, if any, explanation for what’s really going on, if he’s working some sort of secret angle towards the realization of a big goal. And we’ve already been through the 5D chess thing during his first term, and that proved to be a giant joke. How many times is anyone here going to be deceived and burned, even if it wasn’t his intent for that to be the outcome?
A fair question. Perhaps up and until he demonstrates he cannot be trusted, instead of whenever WE decide he is GOING to do something we will not tolerate.
Just this release from Vance tell you that the phone lines are now literally melting down with protests (from conservatives) over this possible Iran war intervention. They’re scrambling now.
An important point that Vance could have made is the consistent promise to use their nuclear weapons as soon as they had them. So along with violating the proliferation agreements and the promise to use a nuke there is every reason in the world to be concerned. Do I want to see us go to war? Hell no! Do I want to see someone bring the war to us? Absolutely not!
I say this..I am a voting,sign posting,poll working Republican…but if we go to war on Israel’s behalf…I will not support or vote for any of the current Republican politos..I fell both betrayed and lied to..again!
JD is the choir. He’s all in and that’s okay for him. If this goes bad he goes down the political drain along with MAGA. I think what Trump found out with all the concerned voices is he represents us MAGA folks not the other way around. We have brains and think for ourselves. We are like the conscience portrayed by the angel sitting on shoulder in all those old movies. I saw something this morning that makes me think Trump values our opinions. I seen it in his face and demeanor and it’s good to see. It means he cares. I want to see us out of that nightmare in the Mideast. It’s pretty obvious BiBi convinced Trump the attack was a good idea or worse he’s twisting his arm. There is a lot going on and I am behind the president on all of them but this Iran thing doesn’t make sense. So I say convince me, hell convince us all, quell our concerns please. We need to be convinced the risk of body bags of our children and WW3 are worth Israel’s dominance in the region. Because as of today this looks a lot like the mother of all money making conflict machines that puts our boys and girls and Country in danger unnecessarily. That is not what we voted for. That is not MAGA.
If have have to say it a million times I will, If you support WW3 with Iran, for regime change and the “yellowcake” lie, get your boots on and take your kids over there to help Israel kill more innocent people and somebody else’s sons and daughters come home maimed and burned and mentally destroy because you asked them to kill innocent people. Why is it that Israel never has to be reasonable and negotiate at all. Are they God, the God you all worship, cuz my God does not want me to kill innocent people.
Its all the SAME pack of lies, wake up
Don’t be stupid. WW3 with Iran is not a thing, you’re making that up. By definition WW3 would encompass, oh, I don’t know, the world? And no, neither I nor anyone else has any intention of fighting Israel’s war nor does anyone here think or say otherwise.
You have zero proof or even evidence that “yellowcake lie” is indeed a lie, except for what the leftists say based on nothing. OTOH, Israel has been threatened with nuclear annihilation by a government that has declared it’s entire reason for existence is to destroy Israel, and suddenly they stopped allowing IAEA inspectors to inspect.
Considering how much President Trump despises the Bush family and the ACTUAL forever wars they created (think Iraq), do you really believe Trump would then go and do the same thing? If you can set aside, just for a moment, your abject hatred for Israel, and pay attention to how Trump negotiates, you might realize that it’s YOU that have decided to believe lies by others who simply hate the Jews because, reasons. Do you really think Israel is so stupid that they would risk annihilation if they weren’t certain that doing nothing would guarantee it? Methinks it’s YOU that needs to wake up.
Why isn’t Israel sending troops over here to help us defend the southern border?
I was watching Chris Martensen of Peak Prosperity today. He called flat out BS on this Iran can never be allowed to have nukes line. To,put it simply, they know the cost of using them, just as the norks do and they’re not that crazy. They just bluster like the norks.
If anything, these acts against them make it more likely they’ll use a dirty bomb.
Perhaps. Except for the fact that the Norks are not fundamentalist Muslims. I like Chris Martensen, but he’s not right about this. Perhaps he does not know about Iran’s 25 year plan to wipe Israel from the face of the earth.
Seems like there is a sleight of hand here by Vance. Vance makes a case, appeals to cool heads and logic and then says it is solely up to the President to decide if Iran can enrich or we bomb them. Uh no sir, it is up to Congress to declare war.
And yes, pretty much all living Presidents have single handedly declared war of some sort without Congress so the precedent has been in place for at least 40 years. America is being used as a sucker for all other Western nations. The People need a say in this otherwise we are merely expendable slaves…hey wait a minute…
Well, I do know for a fact that yellowcake was a lie, just like I knew What covid was from day one., and that big lie. Just like I know all this is a lie because it’s the same people telling the same lie. And no where in the constitution does it say that I have to be forced to pay for their big lie or suffer the consequences.
You have said exactly nothing, and backed it up with even less. Just because you say it, and you believe it, does not make it true, except in your own mind.
I will say one thing and my sources know more facts than any source that you know. But why don’t you believe me when what I stated was proven to be a lie.
If you really believe what you stated was then it would be a good idea for you to volunteer to go over to Israel and help them take out Iran
Oh, I get it. I thought we were talking about Iran and Israel, and so I was confused when you brought up the “yellowcake lie”… for some reason I interpreted that to mean the present day nuclear issue with Israel and Iran, and that sounded so stupid I just figured you were issuing BS. My bad. No I think I understand… you went back into ancient history (2002) with regard to Saddam Hussein. So, yes, of course that was a lie. Not disputing that. I remember that being a Bush/CIA op.
So, are the players the same? Sure, some of them are. Is president Trump different than former President Bush? I absolutely believe so, both by what he’s said and what he has done. I also know that HE knows that virtually zero percent of his base would be in favor of Americans back in the Middle East. Interesting how he is not advocating that… indeed he seems to be advocating the opposite.
I guess we’ll see. If I end up being wrong, you can watch here on this site because I will absolutely admit being wrong, because in the past I have. I doubt many will say that.
Israel started this war, and I believe they did it as a defense against annihilation. I also absolutely believe Iran, given enough time, would have absolutely glassed Israel. They have said as much and have demonstrated through their actions, as well as their refusal to allow IAEA inspections.
So, instead of suggesting I go volunteer to help Israel defeat Iran, perhaps you should go volunteer to help Iran defeat Israel.