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She should be able to do what she wants to. Nobody should pressure. It’s her decision period!
Actually–it’s a very soft-headed, squishy decision. She should have said absolutely nothing about Robinson–now a jury could be influenced into not giving him the firing squad. Also it invites more violence against Christians at large who are already perceived weak and meek (which in itself is why they get attacked). This reminds me of standing in the line at the post office one day up at the ranch–and ahead of me were two Christian women actually discussing ‘how they couldn’t wait to be martyred to Jesus.’ Yeah–that’s absolutely correct. My question is–when did this insane line of thinking come about? And who propels it these days?
When you read about attacks overseas against Christian churches–this is the reason why… because they intentionally set themselves up for this, when they should in fact have armed MEN with AK47’s protecting their worship services, ready to fight back. We see it here with street preachers when they get attacked–and just stand there allowing themselves to be pummeled.
Good point, General. Having seen how juries act while working as a Peace Officer, it is a total crapshoot. You have 12 ripe radishes sitting there for hours listening to two attorneys trying to outmaneuver one another. They do not have a clue and their only education about the justice system is through TV fiction.
When the many CSI series came out on the idiot box in the early 2000’s, juries would routinely question the ability of police and sheriff’s crime labs because: “That’s not how Gil Grissom would have done it.” I am not making this up. One of my prosecutor friends actually had a hung jury on a major felony case because of the science fiction these propaganda TV shows manufactured.
As far as your anecdote about the two Christian women, I saw the same mindset at a private Christian school I taught at when I lived in The People’s Democratic Socialist Republic of Oregon. I had an eighth-grade girl tell me she was not worried if Hillary Clinton won the 2008 election. She insisted: “…we will all be raptured.” And this same mindset I see in the present day among all of the Mega-Evangelical Christian Churches here in Kootenai County, along with rampant Christian Zionism. It all harkens back to the observation of H.L. Mencken: NO ONE WENT BROKE UNDERESTIMATING THE INTELLIGENCE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Bleib ubrig.
If we are Christians, we need to model God, and God does not forgive until we repent. If the guy repents, forgive him, if not, don’t. God doesn’t send unrepentant sinners to heaven. You do have to release the bitterness and thirst for vengeance you might have, as they say ‘don’t become what you hate,’ and ‘vengeance is mine says the Lord.’Search the Bible and see; Jesus says if someone repents forgive them (Luke 17: 3-4, 24: 44, etc.)
Also, forgiveness is not getting rid of consequences. A person can be forgiven and still get the death penalty or life in prison. A truly repentant person would want to graciously accept the consequences of their sin; see the example of the thief on the cross.
Not for me to say. Her choice. It would not be mine. I would seek vengeance.
i will say that forgiveness, inaction, and lack for either offensive or defensive violence is not seen as a virtue, but a weakness by the left, that they exploit.
As long as she’s not tying her salvation to whether or not she forgive the shooter. I think she is basing her eternal destiny on being sure she forgives the guy. She was raised Catholic and it’s part of the package. Is he repentant because he’s repentant or because he got caught. As O.M. Farmer says – forgiving him doesn’t absolve him of consequences.
No. This forgiveness is Devine bent without retribution is just silly.
She is free to do as she pleases. For me, I only await the kinetic storm coming.
Whether or not to forgive is for Erika. If it reduces the burden she’s been forced to carry then she should. If she is doing it out of some sense of obligation, because, reasons, then no.
Forgiveness is a personal choice. What would Jesus do? When he was on that cross he said “Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. “ Jesus didn’t forgive them himself. He asked God the father. My opinion is when someone is killing you you can’t forgive them because if you do you become complicit in your own death akin to suicide. No, you must resist and fight with your last breath to honor the blessing of life God gave you or face the punishment for the mortal sin of suicide and be damned for all time. It’s like spitting in God’s face. As Christians we are asked forgive trespasses against us. How do you do that if your dead? The act of murder is final and the result is being killed. We can only forgive after the sin against us has occurred otherwise what are we forgiving? That would be like the Autopen Biden used to pardon people for crimes undiscovered and yet to commit.
Erika can ask God to forgive Charlie’s murderer(s) deferring to God’s judgment, mercy or wrath. I don’t think she should forgive the murderer(s) personally but she should take into account what Charlie would want her to do. But even if she does forgive she should never forget, never stop calling for justice, and demand the maximum punishment for the crime.
Did anyone commenting actually watch the video???
Not many people have 1 hour and 38 extra minutes in their day.
You asked a question, you got some interesting answers that frankly made me think. I think most people are interested in the question of forgiveness and think Mrs. Kirk handled herself unbelievably well, so no one would think less of her either way. Watching such a long video might be asking too much for normal working people.
Shouldn’t she wait until the REAL KILLERis found?
It’s the hardest thing to do given this circumstance. We personally forgive SO THAT we can go on living in Christ. God doesn’t want a noose around our necks in the form of unforgiveness. The legal system takes care of the rest because Justice still must be served. Government has the role to punish evil (Romans 13) as authorized by God. Actions still have consequences.
In this case forgiveness should be administered by a firing squad.
I think it’s possible that Mrs. Kirk was using the word “forgive” in the way unchristian psychologists have taught too many people to do these days–to mean “I subjectively release the emotion of anger in order to focus on other things, without restoring any kind of relationship, even extending general good will to the person I’m claiming to forgive.”
Christians who can only hope to be forgiven in that way are unfortunate indeed. I’d support a movement to insist that “forgiveness” means that the offender sincerely repents, and so indicates by making restitution, and the relationship is fully restored to whatever it was. (Which is hard to do in the case of murder…) When we mean “release the emotion of anger” we should say that. Too many people are saying “I forgive him” when they don’t even mean “I would feel less inclined to kill him on sight, if I saw him again, than I did when he did whatever he did. I still hate him, really, in a cold and dispassionate way. I ONLY release the emotion of anger for the moment so that I can have a normal life, enjoy food, love my children, etc,”
And, about women…We have to watch these guys. They are not calling for freedom or justice or kindness for us. They are calling for a return to discrimination in their favor on the job. Which, we now know, means a return to greater corruption, injustice, and incompetence since most men simply never do catch up with most women on tests of language and logic. (Some men excel in mathematics–but they’re a minority, often not socially accepted by other men.)
So, if we’re going to generalize about the sexes, clearly young women who have children SHOULD be at home with them; women who don’t have children should be running the economy and the country, and, although men’s jobs might include performing executions, all men should be off the streets and doing the jobs they do best, most of which can be best done in chain gang conditions. Men allowed to work without chains should be supervised by armed guards at all times, to prevent their giving way to those random bursts of rage to which they are–only generally, of course–addicted. That should take care of serious violent crime. And we can prevent prostitution and most drug problems by making sure that men are never allowed to touch money.
So, sorry, but what went wrong to allow these males to be blathering on the Internet? Back to your shovels, both of you.
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Whether women have any special God-given ability for overseeing children, we might do better to ask the children; for the group of women that included my elementary school teachers, that’s false. Whether men have any God-given ability at all for thinking logically…for the group of men that includes these two, that also is false.