by Wyatt Thomas:
The actual daily practice of Christianity is a conundrum that swims against the tide of human nature and often even against the stark truths laid out in Scripture itself. Christ’s statement, “The poor you will always have with you” has not prevented some very commendable Christian attempts to alleviate poverty. Likewise, despite Christ’s foretelling of “wars and rumors of wars,” His followers constantly strive to “Give peace a chance.” The personal motivations for such actions are often noble. After all, we are told to live peaceably if it is at all possible and to care for those truly in need such as widows and orphans. However, not taking into consideration “the whole counsel of God” based on Christ’s command to be “wise as serpents” easily leads Christians into being constantly outsmarted by “the children of this world who are wiser in their generation than the children of light.” The effort to defend oneself in the court of public opinion while living according to biblical standards can easily twist Christians into a Useful Idiot knot. This has enabled an unsustainable welfare state while our national sovereignty is destroyed by Enemies Within.
Because for the most part Christians do not know their own history and only focus on the highlights they think matter (first there was Jesus, then the Apostle Paul wrote the New Testament, then the KJV fell out of the sky in 1611, and now there’s the Last Days of today when we’re supposed to lose ground to Satan because it will make the Rapture happen faster) there is no coherent defense against the repeated heresies which arise like vampires with each succeeding generation and require proper biblical exegesis and historical knowledge to stake them in the heart. Three of the earliest heresies that have come around again disarming Christians and causing them to preemptively surrender our civilization are Antinomianism (disregard of the Old Testament, especially the law), Marcionism (rejection of the “mean God” of the Old Testament in favor of the much nicer Jesus), and Montanism (belief in new revelation not based in Scripture). Even though the Old Testament is filled with violent acts, many at the direction of God Himself, and the New Testament uses the imagery of soldiers and warfare to describe the Christian life, because of the teachings of some of the early Church Fathers who embraced these heresies, Christianity took on a shroud of pacifism which has not been easy to shake off when the need has arisen.
Some strains of historical Christian pacifism arose unintentionally in defending against false claims. The second century Christian leader Athenagoras of Athens defended the Church against heinous charges of cannibalism in the partaking of the Lord’s Supper (“this is My flesh…this is My blood”) by pointing out that Christians would not even spectate at the gladiator games because “to see a man put to death is much the same as killing him.” It was not difficult to take this proper biblical argument against death for sport and turn it into a wider argument against death for self-defense much as “Love your neighbor” has been distorted into the tyranny of “Wear a mask and take the jab.”
The early church father Tertullian to whom we owe the term “Trinity” and the idea of “Church” as an actual building but who later fell into Montanism, took this anti-violence stance even further by declaring that military service itself was a sin because “no man can serve two masters.” This is the clothing of personal belief in a Scriptural veneer and then making it a command for others. We see the same thing today when pacifist Christians argue against personal gun ownership under the commandment “Thou shalt not kill” and then push to infringe upon the Second Amendment Rights of others.
The early church father Lactantius inadvertently planted the Woke seeds of “toxic masculinity” and “Love, Love, Love” by arguing that it was sinful to even personally defend oneself. “[A Christian] must at all times and in all places guard innocence. And this precept is not limited to this, that he should not himself inflict injury, but that he should not avenge it when inflicted on himself.” This belief led to arguments not only against unprovoked warfare, but also against “just warfare” in a good cause.
The pushback against these heresies by Early Church Christians who pointed to the abundance of God sanctioned violent acts in the Bible were discounted out of hand by Marcionites who rejected the “mean God” of the Old Testament and solely focused on the “nice” New Testament by fashioning a Christ of their own design who shared none of the violent traits of His Heavenly Father – much like the Winsome Hippy Jesus of American Christianity who is all about loving and affirming sinners. This led to Early Church heretics such as Origen interpreting inconvenient passages as merely metaphorical. We see this in Christians who believe spiritual warfare can only be fought on their knees.
This is not to disregard the noble martyrdom of untold thousands and thousands of Christians under the centuries of Roman rule. But there’s more to the story than the religiously romantic notion of converting to Christianity and then being fed to the lions as public entertainment. Except during times of extreme targeted persecution such as that under the reign of Diocletian and Nero and a few others for much shorter periods, Christians for the most part were left alone unless they were individually seen as a challenge to TPTB. Christians were not devoured by wild beasts in the arena every single day, because the authorities saw how counterproductive it was to send these brave individuals to horrific deaths in front of public spectators as persecution only made their numbers grow. Even though the Early Church Christians in whole most likely outnumbered the Roman armies, there never was an armed insurrection against them. This is not necessarily owing to pacifism, but, rather, to the reality that an armed rebellion by Christians against the massive power of Rome would have been as successful as one launched by the millions of Christians in Communist China today. America, though, is not Ancient Rome or even Communist China. Our surrender to evil and cluelessly speaking of “suffering persecution for Christ” has nothing in common with the Early Church’s state of affairs. The Apostle Paul, who used every legal method at his disposal to “fight the power” even to the point of appealing to Caesar, would slap us silly for allowing a once Christian society to descend below the depths of Sodom. American Christians will not suffer noble martyrdom, but, rather, the ignoble fate of Lot.
Christ’s command in Luke 22:36 to “sell your cloak and buy a sword” was as troublesome to pacifistic Early Church leaders as it is for today’s “just turn the other cheek” advocates. It is interesting to note that these men of the first through third centuries lived during a time of national stability under a strong Roman government. The Caesars of their day were pagan, but the laws were clear and enforced and their national and individual safety were secured by a strong military. But by the 4th century AD, Rome was in sharp decline, its government irretrievably corrupt, and its citizens faced an existential threat from invading barbarians. It was then that Christians began to question in earnest the prospect of self-defense versus pacifism and it was a Church leader of that time, Augustine of Hippo, who formulated the Just War Theory which created the blueprint for WWJD type warfare western nations have tried to follow. The conditions are: having a just cause, being a last resort, being declared by a proper authority, possessing right intention, having a reasonable chance of success, and the end being proportional to the means used. These conditions are all laid out in A New Declaration Of Independence.
So why won’t Christians fight? They won’t fight because they are under the influence of Church leaders who themselves don’t know their own history and have adopted the heresies of Antinomianism (we should only preach the Gospel), Marcionism (we should love, love, love just like “Nice Jesus”) or “woke” Montanism. It is not WWJD to allow a Communist takeover of our country. It is a demonic heresy. If Christians understood and followed the biblical teaching expounded in the biblically based Just War Theory, we’d have started fighting long before it got to this point.
Wyatt Thomas
Absolutely superb article. One to print and save.
Also one to print and share, especially with your friends and even your minister/preacher.
This article does not mention The Black Robed Regiment, from our Revolutionary War with England. You are urged to research the significant contributions that these men of the cloth made to the American cause.
I have found few ministers/preachers know of this important part of America’s religious formation, even those with Doctorate and other advanced degrees.
Am familiar.
Do not fear he who can kill the body, but fear him who can kill the body and condemn your soul to hell
We home church for sometime, most people incl pastors in churches are not teaching Biblical truth (shallow preaching and teaching)majority of churches are social centers pushing for membership and have no impact on communities. Most all pastors are apostates, wussified man pleasers and condone most anything which is why many denominations are LGBTQ now and more people dropping out. This also sums it up:https://www.newstarget.com/2022-09-29-pastor-dan-fisher-liberty-birthed-protected-pulpit.html and silent churches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E34XoDLJ4I
Because it is not yet time.
It is always time to fight evil. I will be writing about this in my Men of God article shortly.
Then you mistake my meaning
Physical fighting is not yet time
By speaking biblical truth to power IS fighting evil.
Prayer and faith in His soon return is fighting
It is also enduring until the end
You fighters of evil -- you don’t understand the message of Jesus.
To live like Jesus was not to fight -- where did he ever fight and when Peter tried to defend him, did he fight? No.
You do not understand the message of Jesus; you think you can fight Satan in Satans world where he makes all the rules and laws. Jesus was not a part of this world and nor should we be, yet that’s what you want, to be an active part of this world.
We live to love one another and we die loving our enemies.
This is the command of Jesus, love your neighbor, love your enemy but no where does it say to fight them.
That said, like Peter, it is not an easy thing to do, but if we are to obey Jesus, we submit to loving one another and we love our enemies because that is was Jesus did say to do.
He flipped tables
Whipped merchants
And went off in the Temple if I read correctly
“Den of Theives” scripture
And we are told a time in the end we are to sell our tunics for swords.
Jesus, did in fact get violent at the temple with the Money Changers. Jesus knew the future, Lucifer doesn’t know the future but is hugely brilliant and studies mankind for his weaknesses. The largest scam Lucifer pulled on mankind was teaching the Money Changers how to create money out of thin air so the Money Changers could buy total control of the world for Lucifer’s pleasures. The Money Changers started WW1 to slaughter millions of young white Christian males in the trenches. Germany, France, the UK and the USA were all Christian nations. Who engaged in the wholesale slaughter of the cream of the crop of each other. Think that wasn’t a blood bath from the dark side of evil? Same for WW2. Same for the Covid nonsense. We the Christian People are and have been under attack from all sides.
In all fairness let’s look at people and try and reason things better. 30 to 50 percent of the people in the USA think where they hear their own voices when they think. Which is the basics for multi level thought process. We in fact do not think the same. Remember the TV show the Wonder Years? If so remember when the voice describing what the kid who was the star of the show was thinking at the time. Many people thought the voice describing things was just to keep the scrip flowing not having any idea that people think to themselves in words. There is a fair amount on this topic. Which I believe is the roots to the sheepeople.
By not standing up in churches and community, Hitler took over so is that what you would want? We are way past political changes anyway (both parties are globalists)We are living in the 21st century not 30 A.D. we have computers to educate people in the fight.
Dave, then please explain ancient Israel’s large standing army and the many wars against the pagan world God himself ordered. Consider that David, A man after God’s own heart slew his tens of thousands. Did God suddenly change in the New Testament. Since Jesus was an equal part of the Godhead he was right there and in total agreement with the Father regarding war in the Old Testament. Now in your opinion he has totally reversed His thinking and banned any kind of violence and has forbidden us to defend our family and the weak against psychopathic killers. I guess you consider merciless butchers as brothers. We can hope for their conversion but to let them kill, rape and butcher your family is just plain cowardice. People like you would say we can never defend ourselves, our family and the weak against these homocidal maniacs and we should just let them have their way with our family and the weak.
Great article. Agree. A specific point: Evangelicals love those who hate Jesus Christ (those who call themselves Jews). That specific portion of heresy has to be dealt with; they are not “God’ chosen,” but rather “of the synagogue of Satan.”
We war when we desire and have not. GOD either judges his enemy or judges his people, l have not heard GOD yet call us to fight the enemy, have you, Me thinks this is judgment on his people. To fight this would be fighting GOD himself. You must be desiring your kingdom now.
Well said sir!
You do not know God, his Word or his Intent. The Jews Are God’s chosen people or at least the remnant of them are. Just as Noah and his family were the chosen people (the remnant of mankind) chosen to survive the flood. Until God seperates the Wheat(chosen, remnant) from the chaff(evil satanic), we can not know who is of what group. Nor are we called or empoyered to try to make that determination.
Since Israel and it’s people, will be the focus of the end times,(time of Jacobs Trouble) and the return of Jesus to the Mt of Olives, (Zechariah 14:2-4,Acts 1:11). Beware of fighting against them and God’s plan.
I’d say most Christians would be shocked to learn we are at the End; at the doorway of the Tribulation. . . the slaughter of Christians is waiting in the wings. The number of “Have a Great New Year” Christians is troubling. How can we lead or teach -- Anything -- to the non-Christian world, when we are as blind as bats?????? A’church’ in town added a $700,000 piece of property to their stash. Cars line up to add to their $$$. When all the grocery stores close and people die of starvation, this ego-driven false church can use their latest building . . . as a mortuary.
Amen.
Absolutely correct; “American Christians will not suffer noble martyrdom, but, rather, the ignoble fate of Lot.” The “Black Robe Regiment” of the American founders is turning over in its collective grave.
Ezekial 22:30 : And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.
Christianity can not fight. It’s already surrendered. Soon you wont even be able to find a sun-day church that doesn’t regard homosexuality as a birth identity or Muhammad as a prophet. So the battle for the heart and soul of the church is over. You guys lost btw. When this shtf event comes if christianity goes into battle. YHVH will not go with you as it stands right now. You guys mix too much pagan / secular garbage with God’s rulings and constantly justify it. I tell you the truth guys as I go through life and encounter every kind of person ranging from the most lost humans anywhere to pastors and religious leaders of every kind. I cant tell any difference hardly between the Christian and the atheist as far as activity is concerned. You all do the same holidays you all worship the same sports teams the same colleges the same cars. The only difference between the two is talk. That’s it christian talk!
Wheat and tares. We’re beginning to see the difference as the fruits come out. People only wanting to hear the feel good ‘pink fluffies’ from so called ‘Pastors.’ How DARE you take all their fun! Didn’t you know it doesn’t matter how God feels about something? It’s what’s in their hearts that matter. But that doesn’t work for God. Sorry. I know God doesn’t do things the way we do. We cannot understand His ways. But try celebrating your wife’s birthday on your ex-girlfriend’s and then tell her ‘it’s what’s in your heart that counts.’ Doubt she’ll be very understanding. IF they want to do that then why do they insist on keeping all the pagan trappings? Because it FEELS GOOD to them. It’s FUN. It’s EXCITING. It’s NOT of GOD. They want to be friends with the world. After all, they say, that’s what Jesus would do. IS IT? Heaven forbid! Being friends with the world is enmity with God. Sure, Jesus forgave the adulterous woman. They like to bring that one up. They point to Jesus saying, “Neither do I condemn you.” BUT, they leave out the main part where Jesus said,”Now, go and sin no more.” Lucifer sure can cherry pick, can’t he. He’s whispering in their ears that Jesus would accept all the things going on with love and kindness and don’t worry about actually TELLING these people they are sinning, let them see Jesus in you while you party right along beside them. Yeah. THAT works. (sarcasm) Accepting people is one thing. Accepting their SINS and abominations are another. Romans 16:17
I am a follower of Christ. He is my Lord and Savior. My Redeemer. I am not perfect but HE IS. My redemption doesn’t mean I can do things my way without consequence. I am His, not the other way around. He doesn’t work for me. He’s not my ‘get out of jail/hell free’ card so I can continue on in worldly ways. I was bought and paid for and adopted by the King. The Lamb of God, the Lion of Judah. Hallelujah!
Good one!
Squirrel: Verrry well said and necessary to say it. God is very proud of you.
The Catholic Church was infiltrated and taken over in 1958 and sooner. The takeover couldn’t be seen until Pope Pius XII was murdered by B’nai Brith who have offices in the Vatican, and it was they who produced to the world, the 1st of 6 false (fake) popes to come, starting with Roncalli, aka, John XXIII.
Frankie is the last false pope. He, like the 5 before him, is a freemason or higher.
Protestant churches joined with the world and national council of churches in the 1950’s on, also seminaries were infiltrated with liberalism and false doctrines. Modern Bible translations came out with watered down versions ongoing. Pastors were assigned churches in their denomination from the seminaries, and social justice type sermons evolved over time. The churches became social centers making zero impact on the communities.
I will be interested in your interpretation of my forthcoming article Men of God as it pertains to how Men of God are divided by people who profess to be Men of God but only act to divide us.
I was reading last night on my way through the New Testament and just finished Romans. Romans 16:17 leaped out at me. “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.” Then this morning, I’m led (Thanks SQ) to your article and the posted comments. I believe we are fast approaching (if not there already) the time of the House Church since the established churches have mostly been overtaken and very precious few remain that hold to the true doctrine of Christ. Churches are not there to make you feel good. They are there to feed the sheep. To gently correct the paths of those who are straying. Yep, if you feel like the Preacher is talking about you, he probably IS, or should I say God is. Take it for what it is: a nudge in the right direction to get off the path your on not as a slight and then go and ask for a ‘no confidence vote’ on the preacher.
David,
Both sides are dividers. Only one side is the Truth.
do not loose sight of the fact that Truth is the ultimate divider and as now many people do not or are unwilling to believe the Truth.
I am not following your logic at all. The Word is the truth. How can the truth be divisive?
How can the Truth be divisive?
Because we have all been deceived to a great degree all of our lives. How can the Truth not be divisive?
Luke 12:51
Mathew 10:34
That topic sounds awesome! I definitely will enjoy reading it. I’ll give you my opinion on it for sure. Thank you for the heads up!
People who have spirtiual insight need to leave the corporate 501c3 churches and home church or meet in small groups for fellowship Bible study and prayer. Reading old puritan era sermons online also. Churches have sold out to apostate socialism, and all types of life styles contrary to Bible teachings.
When you tell many Christians about what’s happening they actually SMILE! Then THIS comes out of their mouths “I’m not worried because I won’t be here.” Yep. In their mind, the destruction of the US is a sign that Jesus is coming back to take us all away and they don’t have to worry about it. Not only is that arrogant but it’s also a false doctrine. Jesus, Himself, said He was coming back immediately AFTER the Tribulation of that time. Not BEFORE.
One thing I’ve learned about the vast majority of pre-tribbers, you can talk to them til you’re blue in the face and the truth won’t soak in -- they’re too fixated on the fairytale of pre-trib. Personally, I think they’re revealing the hidden truth of their hearts that they’re gutless wonders who don’t want to “suffer any discomfort to their lifestyles… fighting or standing for the truth is too much work and besides, they don’t want to cause waves.
On the topic of martyrdom, I like to point to the position of 1 Timothy 5:8 -- But if any provide not for his own, and especially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith and is worse than an infidel. NKJV
My argument is simple -- how can you possibly provide if you willingly offer yourself up as a martyr to the opposing forces? You can’t. I could talk on this til the cows come home.
There was a reason (IMHO) why Jesus told His disciples to go and buy a sword (Luke 22:36) -- the parable of the good Samaritan -- Luke 10:25-37. Again, it’s simple logic -- after Jesus is gone (Acts 1) they would be on their own -- and the reality of the parable comes to life -- going from one place to another had its inherent dangers…
Yes, I know my writing is all over the place -- I’m trying to mix and match and I don’t want to write a book trying to get my point across. Sorry if this is too broken up.
Most people claiming to be Christian are basing it on church membership affiliation and a historical teaching of the New Test. especially, church activities, (which is works) but nothing happens spiritually in their lives.
AND John was speaking from an experience outside of our 4 dimensional reality. That point cannot be overlooked but usually is.
Mr. Thomas, I have long been confused on the correct understanding of a Christian’s ability to fight. You did not deal with an important Scripture which states that our fight, our warfare is not carnal, but spiritual, and to put on spiritual armor. Please explain how this fits into your understanding of a Christian’s ability to fight. Also, does your understanding allow for a Christian to be in the military as a warrior? Does it allow for a believer to properly engage in physical warfare, perhaps asymmetric warfare against a tyrannical government? Please include Scriptural support for your view, not necessarily historical proof, since any human historical activity can be not Scriptural. History is not how we support or defend our behavior and beliefs. We must base it on God’s Word.
Is Freedom Loving Jeanie on to something?
2 Corinthians 10:3 -- 5
“”for though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the casting down of strong holds,
casting down imaginations and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ.”
The physical battle is over. It now a battlefield in the mind. In the OT it was a physical battle. Israel had to defend itself. Satan was attempting to destroy the bloodline that would produce the promised seed, [Genesis 3:15]. Satan went to plan B and had Jesus’ own people kill him.
God raised him from the dead. Now, after the day of Pentecost, one can get born again, [Romans 10 : 9,10.] You have eternal life with Christ in you, the hope of glory!, [Colossians 1:27.]
Ephesians 6: 10 -- 17 is an allegory, a figure of speech. It uses terminology of warfare to illustrate to the believer the battlefield we are in:
Ephesians 6:17
“And take on the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, WHICH IS THE WORD OF GOD.”
The battlefield is in the mind. Sure, you defend your home with a weapon if necessary. However, a spiritual army is what’s needed today on a national and global scale. Then God bares his mighty arm if He chooses to. The lack of God’s power is because too few Christians have been taught how to arm themselves with the sword of the spirit which is revealed in the epistles, not OT law. .
Completely disagree with this analysis.
Thank you for taking the time to respond. I’m proud to stand with you in this fight for freedom and against tyranny.
Freedom Loving Jeannie:
Didn’t Jesus say, “Sell your cloak and buy a sword”? He means even if you have to sell the clothes on your back, you must fight against these evils and buy a weapon.
Thank you Batman: Jesus did say exactly that and I’ve often wondered how that meshes with Him not wearing a sword and with Him telling his disciple to put away his sword after he cut off the ear of servant in the group of individuals who were arresting Jesus in Gethsemane. I’ve heard some explain that this statement was an object lesson so that he could counsel them to “put it away”. I don’t know.
Many thought Jesus was going to become a physical king over Israel at that time and would have physically fought for Him, I’m certain. But they were mistaken. He would become King sitting at the right hand of God in the spiritual realm awaiting Gods timetable for the end.
So, Batman, I sincerely ask how these other points, especially what happened in Gethsemane, fit in.
Simple. Jesus understood that evil must be fought physically and spiritually. He also understood His Father’s plan for Him. Jesus gave His physical body for our salvation. We abandoned the fight against evil because it is easier to accept the rewards of Satan on earth and not consider our eternal consequences.
I agree DRenegade.
I’ve shown others in the past a couple of points to consider in this situation of the garden and with Luke 22:36.
Jesus simply told Peter to “put it away”. He NEVER said to get rid of the sword. The argument is simple -- Jesus was here on Earth to complete a very specific mission -- to be a sacrifice for many -- the lamb of God. Peter could NOT be allowed to interfere with that mission.
Notice the earlier conversation with His disciples -- after telling them to go and sell their cloak and buy a sword, two of His disciples came and said “See, Lord, here are two swords.” vs.38. Jesus replied: “That’s enough!”
Here’s a hidden point of consideration everyone seems to miss -- If Jesus was (IS) God in the flesh (which He was / IS and always will be), don’t you think He knew the whole time that some of disciples were “packing”! Of course He did!
As an example: John 18:4 Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?” Notice this is ‘future’ tense -- Jesus now knows “everything” BEFORE it’s going to happen…. The reason I present it this way is because it’s make clear that before the Priestly Prayer of John 17, Jesus said “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matt. 24:36
However, take note that in Acts 1, Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?”
7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.
Jesus no longer included Himself as “NOT knowing the times or dates of the Father.
My position is this: The moment that Jesus asked His Father for His glory back the Father gave it to Him then and there.
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. John 17:5.
At that very moment, all knowledge -- all authority -- both exousía (power of authority) & dýnamis (raw power) were immediately and completely restored to Jesus -- this is pure speculation and conjecture on my part but it sure seems to make sense to me.
Hope I’m not stepping on any toes here. This is just kicking around in the dirt stuff -- no call for getting our undies in a bind here.
Sorry for being so long winded -- I get carried away.
Jesus never once encouraged the jews to take up arms against the ungodly, pagan Roman rulers and soldiers over them. Even though he knew His kingdom was a heavenly kingdom, the Romans were still “lording it over the jews”. Our current “Roman Emperor” demonstrates more and more similarities to the totalitarian Roman rulers -- what has changed that makes taking up arms against them alright now? Nothing. Our fight is still spiritual, not carnal. There’s a lot of courage lacking in sticking closely to the Scriptures! Put up the Good FIGHT! Adultery is NOT ok. Sex before marriage is NOT ok. Homosexuality is NOT ok. Fifty different genders -- NOT ok. Having drag queens in your place of worship (or in your home or attending a public display) is NOT ok! Where are our brave, courageous men (and women) to boldly fight against such corruption! This is where we need a bold and fighting spirit! Stand up and be counted! Know your Bible! No one needs to wait for the “right time” to fight with everything you’ve got against this -- spiritual warfare, not carnal. Fight now! Not with guns or swords, but with the Truth. I assure you, it will be a real fight.
Jeannie, I fully understand where you’re coming from and from the arena you’re in, you’re absolutely correct. As one pastor put it, “… to bring change to a lost and dying world, you have to change the heart first.” I could not agree more.
The “however” comes into play (one of the various times one will need to take up arms) IS when (or if) the people you’re talking to about Christ want to destroy you -- literally. Church history claims that the Apostles were all martyred (except John) because of the gospel.
The warning of Christ is clear: “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.” Matthew 7:6 Be ready to wipe the dust from your feet and flee -- “however”, just in case your timing is off… be ready to fight -- physically.
For me, this is just one of several examples I hold to… too much to cover for now…
Jesus came as the lamb of God and a preacher. Not a warrior, nor a person looking for a fight. He did not come as a soldier. He came as meek. He left this world just as meek. If He wore a sword, they’d say He came to take over as their physical king. Turns out, they thought that anyway. You are correct. He told Pilate, “My kingdom is not of this world”.
Jesus was letting His apostles know that HIS death was the will of God and to not interfere. The apostle thought it was necessary, but Jesus let them know that He has to go through this because it is the will of the Father.
Believe me, if it were not the will of the Father, the angels would have slaughtered the lot of them in a split second. The apostle wouldn’t have had to do anything.
That’s all there is to it. I hope this helps.
May I say something? Jesus didn’t need weapons. All He had to do was speak it and it would be so. He could have turned all those soldiers around. He could have blinded them and then escaped but it was His time. It was the plan. That’s also why He stopped the apostles from physically fighting at that time. They would have been killed, more than likely and that was not part of the plan either. To have His followers attack and wound the soldiers would have been a stumbling block so early in God’s plan of salvation. You don’t get much good attention if you are labeled a murderer. Their message of love and salvation wouldn’t have been taken seriously if they had harmed those men. What Jesus did that night made men stop and think and some to believe when it was accomplished.
We shouldn’t fight when talking will do BUT there is a time to fight as well both verbally and physically. Jesus attacked the money changers, whipping them out of the courtyard. Righteous anger is not a sin.
You are right, Jesus didn’t need weapons. He STILL doesn’t. All He had to do was speak it and it would be so. This is STILL true. You STILL don’t get much good attention if you are labeled a murderer. The message of love and salvation, the important message of Good News and Christ’s saving grace for those who have faith in Him STILL won’t be taken seriously if they harm others. Someone pointed out the Scripture that says if you don’t take care of your own, you are worse than an unbeliever. Many look to this as referring to providing food, shelter, etc. but I realize that this also means providing safety and protecting them from harm. This is a Scriptural responsibility to defend ourselves and our loved ones from attack. Jesus went on the offensive when money changers were polluting His Father’s house, the temple. But he didn’t get out a sword and slay them. He fashioned a whip and drove them and the animals out. The point was made … the purity of His Father’s house … a spiritual point was made. They should not be in there. I submit to you that the important point would have been obscured if he slayed them. There is a time to physically fight -- to defend your loved ones and yourself when necessary.
Getting out a whip and driving the unclean thing out of God’s place of worship should be what people do to the drag queens brought in for entertainment and the “pastors” that brought them in! Oh God save us from this wicked generation! How CAN people tolerate that??? This is the spiritual fight (in part) that the vast majority of the church (the body of believers) is failing miserably.
Jerry C.
Defense i understand and agree.
Thinking we are going to change the direction of this world in or with offense i do not get. Or am not there yet. i do not get this from Him nor within.
Yahusha also said “follow me.”
Individuals must follow His prompts as they see fit. They must discern between His voice and the many voices of this world. Many of them are not of Him.
It all changed after the most undereported and possibly most misunderstood event, Pentecost. Men and women were born again for the first time. The book of Acts shows none of these men and women fighting a physical battle. The epistles are the how to for today’s Christians. The gospels are a historical record of Christ on earth.
If you win the spiritual battle. Obeying Gods command s and trusting in his son Yeshua. No enemy can overtake your society. God will fight for you. Answer your own question. Can a righteous man be a soldier for an evil empire? So with that thought can a righteous man serve the former USA?
Yeshua is not the name of Jesus. HIS name is Jesus.
Yeshua is a sarcastic name for Jesus and Yahwey is a sarcastic name given to God, admittedly by the jews, as portrayed in the Christian section of the talmud.
These sarcastic names have been incorporated into the infiltrated church, by the jews.
Therefore, it is a mortal sin to call Jesus and God by these names, once you know the truth.
Mortal sin = Hell. Just call them by their correct names, Jesus and God.
You are way off base.
Hold your horses. The correct English name of Jesus would be translated as “Joshua”. Same word in the Bible Greek era. As late as the King Jimmy Version of 1611, they still thought the translation needed to be modified slightly so as not to confuse the listener/reader. Plus there is no ‘J’ sound in the Hebrew but can be found in the later universal language of Greek. Hence, Yeshua to some. Joshua to others, and Jesus as of later English. While I studied Bible Greek language in college, I am no expert. Just pointing out details, not OCD.
If a person is really OCD -- they would demand you say “CDO” -- get the letters in order! LOL
Christiality on full display. Please post more.
Relax. Stay on topic cause you are way off base
Dear Rabbi Will Mccubbins -- You are exactly right. Obeying God’s commands and trusting in his Son wins the spiritual battle. God will fight for such a person. And you asked such good questions at the end -- the answer is clearly “no” to both. Thank you.
Thank you for your kind words.
Naaman, the Syrian general is a good example to answer your questions
The modern-day church is blasphemous, they teach false doctrine and as the article says, we should already have made a stand against this evil regime.
I agree. I wonder how many church pastors are paid off by “the Clergy Response Team?”
Probable most all of them.
I remember listening to a former church leader saying that he allegedly knew of a list of church pastors who were “officially” members of what was called the “clergy response team” whom the government allegedly had ready to “… lead their flock to FEMA camps…” … allegedly telling their flocks to “… follow Romans 13:1-5 and that should there be any who disagreed, things would be ‘sorted out’ while in the camps….”. Is any of that true? Your guess is as good as mine.
Concerning Romans 13:1-5 -- that’s another can of worms. I happen to agree with Pastor Chuck Baldwin. Chuck Baldwin — Romans 13 Revisited (newswithviews.com)
Renegade, I’ll understand if you see the need to remove this. No harm, no foul. No worries.
Absolutely Tom! You just made the best point here today. If we were a nation that feared God we would’ve already done it.
Absolutely, they have turned us into a nation of eunuchs
This Christian asks you……..why don’t the jews fight????
The ‘jews’ don’t fight because they are causing all these wars. The jews are smart. They cause, start and they continue these evil wars and then they blame the Christians for not fighting against these atrocities. You make people think Christians are responsible for the whole world. T’aint true.
I wouldn’t count Christians out yet. No matter how many are killed, some will be set aside, by God, to come after you when He deems it so, to end everything once and for all. They will have the support of legions of angels from heaven on powerful horses that God creates in a split second. This will be the last and final bloodbath of the century. Oh, and angels don’t miss. They are accurate the first time. I wouldn’t want to be their target.
The Jews are as pagan as any gentile religious organization maybe worse because were supposed to be a light to the world. Sadly very few of my brethren are righteous men. But evil secular globalists!
Jews were never meant “to be a light to the world”. How could they be? Fact: Their god is not the God of Heaven.
Its hard for me to imagine a scenario where I fight alongside such ignorant fools.
God almighty chose Israel as the apple of his eye and God alone will deal with Israel.
Amen.
Been talking to the i=wifw about this very subject for some time now.
So, it’s not the weak-minded (easily led into falsehoods) folks that refuse to actually READ the Whole Bible?
Not lack of spine or a sense of purpose above simply surviving and “going along to get along” situation?
Or are the get along folks just listening as Paul said in 2nd Timothy 2: 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Defend your families, make sure you have a good relationship with your creator (God for the not easily offended).
Winter isn’t coming, it’s HERE. 2024 will only have the selection of the WEF as a choice.
Ever try speaking up in a church or a church class room setting and say we need to repent?
i did. You can not even imagine the pushback and responses. i say this not to glorify anything i have ever done. But i learned a lot in those moments.
Satan was once a servant of the living God. His crime was PRIDE, I can BE GOD Pride.
To repent is the destruction of pride.
Pride goes before a fall, eh? So common that we are PROUD of our Humbleness, eh?
John chapter 6, we remember the feeding of the multitude but how many have read the parts afterwards when some of Jesus’s disciples LEFT HIM? Verse 60+
Matthew 7: 21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Pray for wisdom, protect your family.
All this discussion on Jesus, Christians, and Theology has left me a little confused. I love, and fear, Jesus and his father. That’s all I need to know. God has given all people the facility of free will. My mindset must be a little different from what I have read here. I subscribe to the saying “shoot them all and let God sort them out.” There’s a difference between murder and defense of one’s family, community, and nation.
There IS a time for everything under heaven, and the time for war is at hand. If Christians don’t soon learn how to stand up and act like men who have a set, then we are doomed.
Modern-day Christianity has turned most men into Beta Males who would rather turn the other cheek than put a bully in their place. Even Jesus had the temerity to overturn the tables of the money changers in the temple at Passover.
You need to understand what is right, IS RIGHT and what is wrong IS WRONG. It is that simple. To save ourselves from the Satanists who are running our government we will have to engage in the battle for our survival against the tyranny of a government gone rogue !!!
To the point, agree 100%
Why wont christians fight?
What a loaded question.
First of all. What is a christian?
What is your definition of Fight? What will you accept? Fight the way and means that i say?
i say True followers are fighting each and every day as they are guided by His Holy Spirit, not man’s!
So many conveniently wish to disregard what He warned us of and the direction this world was and is going to take. What makes any of us think we can alter the course of this world? Our part is to fight the good fight as this world consumes itself, and not to become part of it.
i do not believe in the Rapture nor the timing of it as man has interpreted it. much of mankind does not get it.
Accused of being a pacifist many times for things i have said or been guided to reveal, as i sit here beside my gun safe.
There is no doubt many of the “church builders” have gone the way of go along to get along let god sort them out. “Our Father is a Father of no consequences.” if you believe otherwise you are a barbarian.
Then on the flip side we have the kill em all (murder) let God sort em out. i see wrong in both collectivist approaches.
The Truth is in the middle.
“American Christians will not suffer noble martyrdom, but, rather, the ignoble fate of Lot.”
Is it noble to actively seek Martyrdom?
Church leaders?
Let me tell you of mine, He has gifted me from within, i willingly submit and serve Him through His Son and as a son. And yes i fail miserably daily, yet i continue to seek Him as well as i can. i am not alone. i am not waiting for Him to come. He is here. i am not waiting for a man savior to save me nor looking to others to Do Something!
https://ncrenegade.com/pacifism-isnt-just-wrong-its-immoral/
i would like to know who is Wyatt Thomas?
A very good friend of mine.
i bet he writes and sounds just like you.
Great minds think alike. But Wyatt is way more knowledgeable than me on religion.
wonder why your friend did not post the entire article as was posted on Before it is News? You know about the Holy Roman empire idea of “Just war theory”
Did you know the “Holy” Roman empire are the ones who would kill them all and let God sort them out originators? Entire towns and villages. Not very Holy if you ask me.
https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2023/01/why-wont-christians-fight-3651584.html
Beforeitsnews is a mirror image of this article, no idea what you are talking about. You seriously need a new hobby.
Your right. i see it now. (mirror image) This is not a hobby. i have told you what my hobby is. Moved into the realm of 4 strokes recently. They have came a long way.
The erroneous teachings on Romans 13, which advocate total submission to government, no matter the tyranny or evil espoused by it is the major, if not the total reason for Christian compliance and cowardness.
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8
America has been given over to it’s delusions. It’s not Satan that is doing it. It’s God. Because they do not love the truth.
Isaiah 66: 4 “I also will choose their delusions, and will bring their fears upon them; because when I called, none did answer; when I spake, they did not hear: but they did evil before mine eyes, and chose that in which I delighted not.”
Christians in the US dropped the ball. We didn’t fight for what is right. We were cowed and rendered unto Caesar what is God’s and NOTHING good can come of that. They said: “Religion doesn’t belong in politics.” and we shrugged. They said: “Politics doesn’t belong in the pulpit.” and we shrugged. They said: “Pray belongs in the church not in public.” and we shrugged. I could go on and on and on about how we just shrugged and said, “Okay.” We’ve had it WAY to easy here. We’ve never had to fight for our right to worship nor been threatened unto death for practicing it. We only started to be jailed for breaking lockdown mandates and that was precious FEW who had the intestinal fortitude to do that! GOD’S PEOPLE BOWED TO CAESAR and felt that it was right to do so. They cowered in fear for their lives. They played it off as ‘helping keep others safe’ when all along it was THEY who were fearful.
Many though stood on faith and trust even though the doors of the sanctuary were closed. My rock was Psalms 91. Also, I don’t fear death. I’m ready! I want OUT of this world. It is NOT my home. But I will go when I’m called home and not a second before and, I will do what I’m willed to do for His glory.
Joh 18:36 KJV Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Mat 26:52-53 KJV 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. 53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
The church has become ineffective because it no longer seeks to fulfill the great commission. The greatest and only marching order that Christ gave the Church.
That, sir, is the crux. Many of us are ready and waiting for the right moment. When the CW starts is when we fight. We cannot justify murder; but we can certainly justify self-defense and armed conflict in the defense of security. Spreading the gospel is the first love. But strong delusion prevails. The war will come to us in due course. We have passed the point when we should have made a stand and now wait for when we have to stand. No one gets out of this early. The bus waits at the end of the line. This is a time of purification to separate the true believers from the BINOs. I struggle with wanting to fight and wanting to be in compliance with the Lord. Abraham lived by faith before the Law of Moses even was. He was not averse to fighting but did so as a last resort to save his own. We live by faith and will do likewise when the time comes. Some may not agree with me. But know for certain that I’m in it regardless the outcome. None of us get out of this alive.
The are cowards.
https://biblehub.com/revelation/21-8.htm
They do not understand Natural Law as the founders did and formed the Constitution on.
https://odysee.com/@woeih:e/Mark-Passio-Science-Of-Natural-Law:f
They do not understand what the Constitution says.
https://smile.amazon.com/Saving-Constitution-PhD-Richard-Proctor/dp/0578218607
They have not formed Militias as the 2nd amendment says is “necessary” if we wish to remain free.
http://missourifreepress.com/2020/07/19/mark-passio-the-true-meaning-and-purpose-of-the-2nd-amendment/
They for the most part have no clue as to what the Bible says.
“Modern Christians”, have allowed their 501.c3 non-churches to turn the Christianity of 1776, into a mental illness of pacifism today.
Well said Joe.
There is no cohesion among Christians to form a fighting force. Ge 3:15; Habakkuk 3:12,13; Re 13:14; Re 9:11; Jesus split the head of the angel Apollyon, the anti-Christ, the incarnation of Satan, down to his shoulders in the bottomless pit, the mortal head wound, with a sword Mt 12:40.
Some of the outright hatred that came out on this thread. Pretty telling.
R-3:4
Agreed, we (this world) have people from all these church types around us.
How many were in church yesterday? How many were in church today? How many host home church or Bible study? How many believe that you only have to mumble some words to be saved? Finger pointing and blame. I believe it was John McArthur that said “if you’ve attend this church for two years, you should be teaching by now.” Only righteous men live in a righteous world.
I was going to back you up concerning your questions asking people if they attended church until you mentioned John MacArthur. Apparently you are unaware of the fact that ol John said that you can take the mark and still go to Heaven.
If you want proof: John MacArthur OUTRAGE: Take the Mark of Beast, still be saved. False Teaching -- YouTube
Last time I checked, Revelation 14:9-11 was very clear: 9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, 10 they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”
Please believe me, I use to follow John on a regular basis years ago, but I now look at him as Rat Poison -- just like ingredients of Just One Bite: Bromadiolone 0.005% (the killing agent) 99+% inactive ingredients.
The bottom line for me -- I trust no man and I refuse to “drop names” just to win validity on an argument or discussion.
Sorry about the bomb shell -- and it absolutely amazes me that even when I show people this YouTube link, THEY STILL try to make lame excuses for ‘ol John. Again, the Bible is crystal clear on this issue.
Does not mean he (john MacArthur) (never heard of) was wrong in this one thought. Believers and followers should have taken up their crosses and lived their lives accordingly, daily, learning and teaching by example. Not just on sun- day, or Saturday. Everyday!
That’s if you believe the jab is the mark. I do not believe that. Yeshua could heal bodies and raise the dead, whatever they do to my body is of little consequence. They cannot trick you into taking the mark. It may be a tool of coercion but you will be presented with the choice. You will know when the time comes. As for John McArthur, I listen his sermons as well as many, many others. As always I pray for discernment prior to reading, listening or studying. Sorry you believe I drop names…..
Christians don’t understand about nFARCING the law. If you do that, they (TPTB) will be arrested and even maybe HANGED on the spot. You do not have to use guns and swords. You just have to learn to use the LAW and FARCE it on them.
The LAW will hang them. DEMAND they follow the law or you will be HANGED for breaking them.
Why wont Christians fight?? Because they know you need a strong frigging leader and an organized network or else you end up with a January 6 fiasco. Don’t be so stupid unless you are going to take up the gauntlet and lead the much needed revolution. Otherwise STFU! I’m tired of the armchair complainers.
Scooter, I get it… what everyone is missing is that we are at the end of the “end times”… attempting to return this nation to its Godly foundation is an exercise in futility… I’m convinced that the U.S. is the mystery Babylon of Revelation -- we’re the leading exporter of porn and sodomy -- arguably we were / are the most powerful nation every have existed and we’ve covered the world with our drugs / pharmakeía Revelation 18:23 -- some translations say magic spells -- others say “…for with thy sorcery were all the nations deceived.” ASV for one. Revelation 18 matches the U.S. better than any other nation out there -- hence the word “mystery” Babylon.
The battle right now is who will control the new money system -- the U.S. is pushing for a digital cashless format and the BRIC nations with China and Russia leading the way are pushing for a gold backed / commodity backed currency system.
Notice Revelation 13 says that everyone will be “compelled” to take the mark and without it you won’t be able to do anything -- it does say it will be 100% successful -- only that everyone will be compelled to take it -- that’s why I suspect the BRIC system will be the counter -- that’s all debatable.
The bottom line with this point is that taking up arms against this government won’t work -- it’s my contention that God won’t let it just like Jesus told Peter to put away his sword (because it would interfere with God’s plan) -- the mission of rebooting the government is not on God’s time table or mission plan as well.
Yes, the people thought WWI and WWII were the setting up of Armageddon but too many landmarks were not in place -- specifically the rebirth of Israel and the taking of the mark… right now, the only thing we’re missing is the “two witnesses” of Revelation 11.
As I’ve said before, I hold to 1 Timothy 5:8 -- I will provide for my own and that includes providing food, shelter, clothing AND protection -- there’s no need for me to go running off to DC to “show my support for a man I don’t trust any more than I do any OTHER person in office”… I’ll have my hands full when they come knocking at my front door (or back door).
Thank you for this! I’ve been trying to explain this to others since I examined the Word to see the original meaning of “meek” -- which is very different than becoming the milksops of today!
Great article. We must use all the weapons in our arsenal. Spiritual and physical if need be. It is our responsibility to stand against evil and evil men and women. Be vigilant.
The warfare is spiritual and not physical or carnal. Do not minimize desperate prayer and its results, for I have seen many miracles in my lifetime. Faith can move mountains and it does. I agree that many so-called Christians are not really Christians at all. As has been said ‘ Going to church is as likely to make one a Christian, as a farmer sleeping in a barn might make him into a horse’. Organized religions, including most of Christendom is part of the status quo or established system of unbelief in God and Jesus. They worship man and his accomplishments and money. They mostly worship Mammon and not the Word of God -- Jesus, with their Prosperity doctrine which is a lie. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this world against spiritual. The Whole Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
How should Christians fight?
In Daniel 6 is the story of “Daniel in the lions’ den”.
It can be viewed as a story representing the future Jesus Christ (as Daniel) being cast down among mankind (as the lions) by God the Father (as the king), until it was time for Jesus to be taken back up into heaven.
While here on earth, Jesus gave us at least 4 different tools/weapons with which to fight the evils that we would encounter.
(1) For Personal Difficulties:
Matthew 21:21 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.” (KJV)
(2) When Persecution Arises:
Luke 18:3 “And there was a widow in that city; and she came unto him, saying, Avenge me of mine adversary.” (KJV) …
Luke 18:7 “And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?” (KJV)
(3) For Building Christ’s Church (loosing people from evil collected in their lives, or binding evil to people hindering in church building):
Matthew 16:19 “And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” (KJV)
(4) For Those Who Refuse to Hear the Gospel Message:
Matthew 10:14 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
Matthew10:15 “Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.” (KJV)
Now, why is this important to learn?
Look at what happened to those who falsely accused Daniel of wrong doing:
Daniel 6:24 “And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.” (KJV)
Similarly, we need to prepare to enter into our Godly roles as saintly lions who will overcome/conquer (“brake all their bones in pieces” of) the accusers of the brethren (fallen angels) who will be cast down to earth in these Last Days:
Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” (KJV)
Revelation 12:10″ And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.” (KJV)
**** CORRECTION ****
(… I realize that this is a late comment, but yet, it is important …)
The name that we are called is not “saintly lions” but …
!!!! RIGHTEOUS LIONS !!!!
Proverbs 28:1 “The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.” (KJV)
This is KEY to understanding !
As we strive to be righteous, then the LORD God will make us into lions, prepared and ready to win VICTORY … even over all the rebellious fallen angels!!!!
The writer is correct in his observations and conclusions. The one glaring position he missed is that of muslim dogma. Islam is every bit as strong a threat to Communism as it is to Western Liberty. Nevertheless, I give the article 5 stars.