LabCorp and Grok

One disturbing thing about retirement is the cost of healthcare. I pay more for health insurance than before I went on Medicare. I also pay more for doctor visits and tests as I suspect the bills are just padded for government reimbursement.

I was getting my blood work at the doctor’s office and noticed that the cost went up so I went back to the county clinic where the cost is less than half the price for the same laboratory and labwork. In the past, the results were sent to me and the doctor. Now the results are sent to the doctor. I asked and was told that I had to bring a self-addressed, stamped envelope. I then asked about the small sign in the lobby and was told that Labcorp has an online service. I asked about that and was given a pamphlet.

When I made my account at Labcorp, the results came up and I could download the report in a PDF. The report had both the current results and the results from my last test. I uploaded the PDF to Grok and asked for an analysis.

The analysis was thorough and better than what the doctor changes me. Here is a portion:

Key Observations by Category

1. Hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c)

  • Current Result: 6.8% (Flag: High)
  • Previous Result: 11.8% (10/22/2024)
  • Reference Interval: 4.8–5.6%

Notes:

  • Prediabetes: 5.7–6.4%, Diabetes: >6.4%, Glycemic control goal for diabetics: <7.0%.
  • The current HbA1c of 6.8% indicates diabetes. It’s just above the glycemic control target of <7.0% for adults with diabetes.

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I asked Grok the following question since I had researched A1C levels a few years back:

What is a good A1C for a 68 year old male for a lower risk of heart attack?

From Grok:

For a 68-year-old male, the “ideal” Hemoglobin A1c (HbA1c) level to lower the risk of heart attack depends on individual health factors, but general guidelines from medical organizations can provide a framework. HbA1c reflects average blood sugar levels over the past 2-3 months and is closely linked to cardiovascular risk, especially in older adults where diabetes and heart disease often intersect. Here’s an analysis based on current medical understanding:

General Guidelines

  • Non-Diabetic Range: An HbA1c of 4.8–5.6% is considered normal for people without diabetes. For a 68-year-old male without diabetes, staying within or near this range minimizes cardiovascular risk associated with elevated blood sugar.
  • Prediabetes Range: 5.7–6.4%. This indicates a higher risk of developing diabetes and a modest increase in cardiovascular risk, though not as pronounced as with diabetes.
  • Diabetes Control: For adults with diabetes, the American Diabetes Association (ADA) recommends a target of <7.0% for most individuals to reduce complications, including cardiovascular events. However, this target can be adjusted based on age and health status.

Age-Specific Considerations

  • For older adults (e.g., 68 years old), guidelines like those from the ADA and the American Geriatrics Society (AGS) suggest a slightly more lenient HbA1c target to balance benefits and risks (e.g., hypoglycemia). A common recommendation for healthy older adults with diabetes is 7.0–7.5%, especially if they have few comorbidities and a life expectancy exceeding 10 years.
  • If there are significant health issues (e.g., heart disease, kidney problems, or frailty), a target of 7.5–8.0% might be safer to avoid hypoglycemia, which can strain the heart.

HbA1c and Heart Attack Risk

  • Lower HbA1c and Cardiovascular Benefit: Studies show that HbA1c levels below 7.0% are associated with reduced risk of microvascular complications (e.g., eye, kidney damage) and may lower macrovascular risks (e.g., heart attack, stroke) in the long term. For example, the UK Prospective Diabetes Study (UKPDS) found that each 1% reduction in HbA1c reduced heart attack risk by about 14% in younger diabetic patients.
  • Older Adults: In older populations, the relationship is less straightforward. A 2019 study in JAMA Network Open suggested a U-shaped curve for mortality and cardiovascular events in seniors—levels below 6.5% or above 8.0% were linked to higher risks. For a 68-year-old, an HbA1c around 6.5–7.0% might optimize heart attack risk reduction while avoiding hypoglycemia.
  • Your Lab Report Context: Your HbA1c is 6.8%, which is just below the 7.0% threshold. Combined with elevated lipids (e.g., LDL 154 mg/dL), keeping HbA1c at or below 6.8% could help lower heart attack risk.

What’s “Good” for a 68-Year-Old Male?

  • Optimal for Lower Heart Attack Risk: 6.5–7.0%. This range aligns with good glycemic control, reduces cardiovascular strain from high blood sugar, and is practical for a healthy 68-year-old without excessive hypoglycemia risk.
  • Individualized Target: If you have existing heart disease, a slightly higher target (e.g., 7.0–7.5%) might be safer, as aggressive lowering below 6.5% hasn’t consistently shown added heart attack prevention in older adults and could increase hypoglycemia-related stress on the heart.

Conclusion

For a 68-year-old male aiming to lower heart attack risk, an HbA1c of 6.5–7.0% is a solid target if you’re relatively healthy, as it balances glycemic control with safety. Your current 6.8% is close to this, suggesting you’re on the right track, but maintaining or slightly lowering it could optimize heart health. Discuss this with your doctor to tailor it to your specific health profile—age, diabetes duration, and heart risk factors matter.

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My point is that we can save money for the same test from the same laboratory, download the information and get a free, thorough analysis. As shown here, Grok missed the appropriate level for A1C for my age but that was expected based on my previous experience at the doctor’s office.

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thexrayboy
thexrayboy
4 hours ago

Cut out processed foods. ALL of them. Avoid anything with corn syrup and other high carb liquids. Eat lots of protein, vegetables and in smaller amounts complex carbohydrates. Avoid alcohol. Exercise even if only moderately every day. Do this and you don’t need to worry about your A1C

hh475
hh475
4 hours ago

Some of these studies need to be interpreted carefully by considering the makeup of older Americans. There are multiple conditions that are counterintuitive — not only the A1c but also weight. The weight studies illustrate the problem the best. There are a number of studies that show a “J” shaped curve comparing weight and mortality, with the lowest mortality being in the “overweight” and just barely obese categories.

But here’s the thing. in the “normal” weight group are both people who are “naturally” of normal weight and those who would “naturally” be overweight or obese, but who have a chronic disease such as cancer and are losing weight because of their disease. Thus, you are not comparing just “healthy” people of normal weight with “healthy” people who are overweight.

Unfortunately, older people are those who are most likely to have these chronic diseases that result in declining weight. lower A1c, etc. Thus, it may not be that having an A1c of 6.5 is “healthier” than an A1c of 5.6, it’s just that the cohort of people with an A1c of 5.6 includes healthy people with “normal” A1c *and* people with cancer/whatever who are wasting away.

Al Buckner
Al Buckner
4 hours ago

Last year my Priority Health Advantage Care open its network to out of state, but advised to get 14-day approval on all visits. Went to Tennessee to Hearing Specialist, which was a $40 copayment, but the hearing specialist said she only bill the third party that my insurance pays for. Zero pay, that was blessing. She then refer me to ETN specialist for evaluation and MIR. Once again No Copay, but my pre approve MRI copayment was $275! From time of seeing hearing specialist to having MRI was a total of six weeks!
Michigan my trips would have been my doctor twice, hearing specialist twice, and MRI all schedule would have took 13-weeks and my copay would be my doctor $20($10 per visit), hearing specialist copay 2 visit $80($40 per visit), MRI copayment was $275.
Overall Tennessee total $275 in six weeks. IF Michigan, $375 and 13’weeks.

For 2025, Priority Health redid their plan with higher limits, less OTC benefits and some cuts to other benefits. I opt out for Trinity Health of Michigan, their out of state coverage is different, you have to get everything pre-approved and some copays could be higher. OTC benefits are $50 every quarter( you get a debt card which is loaded every quarter), which you can order online from CVS or use it in any grocery or drug stores. For every preventative exam they load $50 on card(also no copy on exam if it’s on their preventative list) and since I am low risk and very healthy I chose prepay my Part B plan, which means they pay back to me $162.50 toward the monthly $185. It’s like get a $162.50 raise on my SS.

Last edited 4 hours ago by Al Buckner
Hammers Thor
3 hours ago

David… thank you for posting this… absolutely fascinating, and what a great idea. I had not considered presenting the lab data to an AI model… although I have no idea why. I don’t use Grok (no Twitter acct) but I have several Large Language Models loaded on my desktop system running through LM Studio, including a 42b medical model (yeah, it’s slow -- shopping for a 16GB GPU now to remedy this). I am going to upload my last lab data (which I got from the health department for exactly the same reason) and see what the AI tells me. Will probably test a couple of different models.

Dennis Lyons
Dennis Lyons
2 hours ago

Stay as far away as you can from the medical mafia…They want your money and they want you sick (as in a patient for life)! The medical mafia is willing to poison you to get that…Wake up lemmings…!

Dennis Lyons
Dennis Lyons
2 hours ago
Reply to  Dennis Lyons

Eat most of your food from farmers you know in your area….better yet grow you own food….Live in the city…LOL…to bad!!!

Dennis Lyons
Dennis Lyons
2 hours ago

72 years young…live on a small farm…raise my own meats…fruit trees…large garden…well water….no pills…no doctors and no sickness…No one is going ride in on a white horse to save you…you have to save yourself! Let your food be your medicine! The medical mafia wants you popping every kind of pill these evil bastards can manufacture…90% of the cowards’ doctors, nurses and all other medical pee On’s wanted you to take a bioweapon to kill or maim you…Think any of them have your best interests at heart??? Open them pearly blues folks…

Joe_P
Joe_P
1 hour ago

Thanks for he good info!

The Duke of New York
The Duke of New York
1 hour ago

Begs the question: would an AI “doctor”, that could analyze your tests and narrative, provide clinical advice, and prescribe meds based on that advice, be worse than the human doctors (and more so NP’s) that most folks go to now?

Michael
Michael
1 hour ago

AI Doctor says what is Programmed into it.

Wanna bet WHO Programs it?