From Malachi in the comments:
David, with all due respect, I’m confused. If you were to discover a ‘red room’, how would you deal with that? We know that the authorities protect such places. So what would you do? I get the impression that A.C.W. would go in guns-a-blazin’ and terminate the vermin. How would you ‘stand up’ if not in that way?
‘Turn the other check, resist not the evil man, the meek will inherit the earth.’ Plenty of Scripture to encourage us to sit still and take it expecting some heavenly reward. Our pre-Christian ancestors would already have dealt with the evil, and yet we continue to complain and wait. What do you suggest we do? This is not an attack. I consider you a brother, but I’d seriously like an answer.
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Definitions:
1. Vigilante
a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate)
broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice
2. Renegade
an individual who rejects lawful or conventional behavior
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I wonder if anyone ever thinks about the title of this site? I do not feel any obligation to anyone but the Lord. What does that mean? In relation to the question concerning red rooms, I will admit that I have not thought about it in the past since I only recently heard about these rooms. The only way that I would “discover” a red room would be if the Lord directed my footsteps. I do not go out much and do not associate with many people at this point. So let me be clear: I would act to terminate anyone hurting a child in any location.
That being said, I would act in or on a Committee of Safety. I had prepared a presentation for this part of our history a few years back but the agenda of the group meeting changed. I took that to be a sign from the Lord that it was not the right time. At present, I would not even attempt to define lawful or conventional behavior in this country. My personal thoughts on vigilante justice are based more on eternal salvation. We cannot be hindered by inaction or doubts but who wants to make a mistake that will impact our eternal salvation?
If I act to protect the innocent (especially children) or am directed by the Lord to act against evil, the choice is to act. If that is your definition of vigilante, we agree. In other circumstances, if a group decides that someone needs to be punished without a trial in which to defend themselves, then we disagree. Justice needs to be restored and swift justice will be needed.
Consider:
So to be clear, the Lord is responsible for vengeance. I believe that He uses righteous Men of God in some cases to fight and eliminate evil. I do not pretend to speak for the Lord or if He will avenge a nation who have turned their back on Him. As I said, I will defend the innocent from harm and have no problems for swift justice.
I know that many readers will object to this answer. I have a question for you: do you carry a firearm at all times? If the answer is no, then do some soul searching. I always carry a firearm and continue training myself and others in their use. I will say that the only recent change in my behaviour has been to carry an extra magazine. Times are spicy. Actions have consequences. Words are meaningless when the fight against evil becomes a physical reality.
I pray that I act using a firm reliance on Divine Providence so that my eternal soul is not jeopardized by rationalization instead of reasoned actions.
‘Turn the other check, resist not the evil man, the meek will inherit the earth.’
Matthew 5:
5“Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. 6“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. 7“Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.8“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.9“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.
The meek will inherit the earth when God deems it so. Jesus told us next that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be satisfied. Be merciful and pure in heart. Be Men of God.
38“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.
Concerning the above Bible verses from Matthew 5, I must confess that I will resist and terminate any evil man or woman caught doing evil to innocents. The Lord will direct my words, footsteps and actions. If anyone wants me to put man’s law or opinions first, I can only say “it ain’t gonna happen”.
David DeGerolamo
Sir, thank you for your post and your honesty. I know you love the Lord, and I do also. And I know that most of the people who visit NCR do also.
I, too, am always armed. I, too, would not hesitate to use it in defense of the innocent, especially the Lord’s little ones.
I urge everyone to read Isaiah chapter 59. The Lord has much to say about the nation that turns its back on him. America has become a very sinful nation. America is dying; spiritually, morally, economically and financially. America needs to repent of its gross sins. America needs to turn back to the Lord. Then He will be able to bless us again and heal our country.
I commented this morning and was referenced above in this posting… first of all you need to examine the fallback “Vengeance is mine” David…. Holding someone accountable on this earth for their evil actions and removing them from society
has no semblence to Vengeance… Vengeance is Revenge. God gave man dominion over this earth… a moral people have no choice but to punish the wicked and remove them from society. This has nothing to do with Vigilantism persay but in the days we are living in that may be an option. Where in the Bible are we instructed to let evil people flourish and go unpunished??? David if your faith and trust are in Jesus how is your salvation going to be taken from you? I am not talking about walking around guns blazing or forming unaccountable vigilante groups…. We have no system of justice anymore… our law enforcement is mostly corrupt and operating for the bad guys and are the ones we will have to fight if we ever rise up against this EVIL. This country is awash in evil from the White House on down…. anybody out there disagree that these monsters deserve a quick death sentence that any moral society would have already delivered? How can there be any argument at all that massive swift justice is needed in America? Jesus would disapprove? These people are destroying the planet… they are destroying children… while we sit idly by hoping we wont be noticed… hoping we wont have to stand up and risk losing what we have on this earth. I have no idea how to accomplish anything on my own… anybody that takes a stand is quickly taken out by whatever Gestapo law enforcement is most handy and nobody dares to challenge or confront that system. David for everything you do and everything you post I don’t believe your head is screwed on quite right with what you have posted today… that line about risking your salvation by standing up to evil the wrong way or whatever you meant really leaves me scratching my head. The only one on here I truly feel kinship to is Wes… He says exactly what I feel… where in the world have all of the true Godly men gone?? How will we be judged for our inaction?
1.”that line about risking your salvation by standing up to evil the wrong way or whatever you meant really leaves me scratching my head.”
follower- in my opinion: There is a balance. David is talking about, not becoming evil ourselves in the process of fighting evil.
2.”I am not talking about walking around guns blazing or forming unaccountable vigilante groups…”
follower- Seems like many of us are or should be on this page. Some people do come off as Guns and guns only are the way. They sound like vengeance comes from and by man. The power is from the gun. Well any strength and power are not mine but His. His Will will be done.
Good post and things i would also like to clear up.
“We have no system of justice anymore… our law enforcement is mostly corrupt and operating for the bad guys and are the ones we will have to fight if we ever rise up against this EVIL”
Amen!!!
This is the inherent problem with conventional responses. We ARE the rebels at this point.
the meek may inherit the earth, but they dont get the ball.
Here is where i was led this morning. Look at what He says. “I wish it were already kindled.”
It is not for us to kindle. When His time is right rest assured, it will happen!
Luke 12:49-51
Verse 50 (His immersion)must be accomplished to His satisfaction and fulfillment.
We are not talking about vigilante justice, as I see it we are talking about self defense of our loved ones and friends. I am armed all the time and I still practice martial arts, these evil scum want to reduce humanity by the billions. As far as I am concerned, vigilante justice is another phrase they use for control. I seek God first in all things.
David, I appreciate your response, but my question remains unanswered. ‘What would you do?’ You said you don’t get out much, that you just recently learned of ‘red rooms’, and that you only go where the Lord leads you. Fair enough. So what if the Lord leads you to a ‘red room’? The evil ones that run it are there. We all know that they will not be punished by the authorities. We all know there will be no trial, no justice meted out. You have said you carry a firearm and an extra mag. So … what would you do?
Brother, I’m pushing you in a corner, I admit. But, we all need to run these scenarios through in our heads and come to some determination so that we can be morally/spiritually prepared to act when faced with evil. I have said repeatedly, if circumstance and opportunity present, I will terminate an evil one. So if those two conditions occur, circumstance and opportunity, shouldn’t that be taken by a Christian as the Lord’s leading?
We can argue all day long about how one would identify an ‘evil one’. For the sake of this question it would be a man or woman inflicting harm on children in a red room. What, David, would you do? I ask the same question of all the folks visiting this site. As for me, I’d terminate with prejudice every one of the demons in the ‘room’, and be perfectly willing to pay whatever cost is required of me both here or in the hereafter. We must protect our own. We must protect the innocent.
Sometimes we forget that this blog like everything on the internet is an OPEN ROOM.
So, I ASK You Malachi Would YOU ASK that Question in the middle of a crowded coffee shop?
You are doing that same thing here on an unsecured channel.
I don’t know about David, but my response is known by God. And frankly WHY should anybody else care or make their choices FROM my response?
But then again, the Kangaroo Courts need material for the upcoming trials. Carry on.
I never ask someone else to do something I’m unwilling to do. I was willing to answer the question. And yes, I’ve answered it publicly in the past. David can accept the question as rhetorical. He can answer it, or not. It was never my intent to cause him any embarrassment.
I’ve just about come to the conclusion that our civilization is lost. If we fear answering a question, then action will never be taken. You, sir, seem to be afraid of ‘Kangaroo Courts’. If answering a hypothetical question about protecting children from torture and murder leads to some blow-back from the authorities, so be it.
I seem to have touched a nerve.
Malachi I don’t want to be arrested for mere words and chest thumping.
Might stop me from doing real world things instead of typing Brave words on the internet.
I care nothing about your thoughts about me, I care only about what my God and family think.
I have answered the question in an open forum: So let me be clear: I would act to terminate anyone hurting a child in any location.
If I my precognitive abilities come to pass, I will be imprisoned in the future. This is where the joke “I like chocolate chip cookies” came from as I was asking people to send them to me in jail. We don’t have to answer the question but we all should be thinking about it.
Well said.
I don’t know how I could clarify any more than what I wrote:
So let me be clear: I would act to terminate anyone hurting a child in any location.
He who refuses to help his brother or give up his life in defense of his brother, family members, friends or strangers is an anathema in Gods Eyes. The scripture states he who gives up his life in defense for his brother his spirit goes straight to heaven to be in the presence of the Lord.
Remember the good Samaritan who helped the man in the road who was beat up and left for dead while supposedly respected church people just walked by on the other side of the road and shook their heads and refused to aid the hurt man, this would be the same situation what happens when a man of God refuses to aid an individual in need , So our duty is to aid that individual by any means necessary to save that man’s life and if it requires righteously killing another person , than you must do it.
spot on Thank you.
I know nothing about such things as red rooms. I suppose all sorts of torture exists so I cannot refute the possibility of their existence. Here is an article I just found concerning this issue.
https://www.ranker.com/list/do-red-rooms-really-exist/christopher-myers
Let’s discuss Is there a way we can do things today that make things better?
Psalm 82
3 Defend the poor and the fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.